justalurker said:
No, not really. As the one who started this thread I think I know the topic. Letting people know exactly what Charlie mumbled, er said, about Rainbow1 Voom and HD during the March Charlie Chat. You seem to hate E* and spend your posts bashing the company (not the subscribers) and suggesting that people go "elsewhere" - and placing the plastic halo on your head you say you don't care where else they go. As long as it isn't E*.
Wrong. I am repeating what Charlie said about E* and HD. They have no plans right now and did not have any two years ago. They were just stringing subscribers along with all their public "lies" about HD. That's no public bashing. That's only what they themselves said about themselves. I said very clearly and you misquoted me and you are misinterpreting my statement. Go back and read before misquoting me. I said and I repeat:
"In other words, if you buy and HDTV or you own an HDTV, go somewhere else to get HD (DirecTv, Cable, VOOM or elsewhere) if you want it. E* is not prepared to do it unless it makes monetary sense to them....But now, at least us subs are clear where E* stands. Don't cry anymore. Either stick with them until they are ready or move on. "
In no way, I said to all E* subs go somewhere else because E* is a bad provider. I said go somewhere else if your main interest is "HD". That is a true based on the post you first posted. Is it not? As I said before, I have no interest whatsoever what each subscriber decides. I am not a dealer, I am not an investor and I do not get comissions from V*, E* or D* or C*. I do not care where you go. I have no special interest.
justalurker said:
That is the problem with being on the leading edge of technology ... you pay the price.
I also paid the price with the 6000u and the 721 unit. I guess I should go back and sell my HDTVs are somehow not in sync with E*'s HD plans. I can assure you that your logic could not be any more wrong on this one. That's why there is more providers in the market. Thank God there is.
justalurker said:
Do you have to say it so bitterly?
The truth was in this thread before your rants against E*.
How else do you want me to say it? Did I curse? Was I sarcastic? was I unpolite? I said it in layman's term. Simple and to the point. Not hidden in anyway.
justalurker said:
E* is not planning to do anything with HDTV until at least this fall.
That I agree with you. But shouldn't they have said that on May 1, 2003. On May 1, 2003, they said with "Superdish we will have up to 50 HD channels" (I introduced the "up to" since some of you were so adament about it). It is now going to be 2 years later on May 1, 2005 and they are saying "Fall 2005 and MPEG-4". Maybe just maybe they should have said this on May 1, 2003: "We would not have any HD plans until the Fall of 2005". That way we would have known better their plans and move on.
justalurker said:
And at that time there WILL most likely be a receiver swap and conversion to MPEG4.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... Wonder where you heard about the receiver swap... Do you really think that E* will swap all the HD receivers bought by owners for free. If that is true JL, I won't sell my two crappy 6000u receivers since right now I can't get a decent price of what I paid for them. I hope you are right and I hope you can state some evidence where E* has stated that they will swap all receivers for free or at a reduced price. I like to know the reduce price as well.
justalurker said:
E* doesn't want to waste their or your money selling recievers that will be repo'd in nine months.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Let me 942 is jus one that come to mind that is not MPEG-4 upgrable and they are releasing as a new brand receiver that it is absolete before it hits the market.
justalurker said:
It's good business sense, and it was said humbly by the CEO of the company. Apparently you would rather he spend a lot of money making customers happy now and then spend a lot of money making customers happy later when the customers have to swap out their brand new receivers and make other adjustments. Ergen chose a different business model. A plan that may lead to some short term losses as a few HD purists drift away, but will leave the company IN BUSINESS at the end of the year and in a position to be a leader again.
This is your own speculation with a projection that he will be in a better position down the road. As he is doing this remember that there others as well that is not sleeping and will do everything in the power to grab the market share. We'll see down the road.
justalurker said:
Really? One cable franchise and two DBS carriers and the possibility of getting HD from the big dish, plus OTA from your local broadcast affiliates. How many more did I miss? There isn't a lot of HD out there.
again you do not see my point and again you come back to the same rhetoric about not "enough HD out there". Enough about that there is plenty of HD channels not carried by E*. Right now if anyone wants to catch all the HD possible, you will need two or three different providers but the HD channels are available elsewhere.
justalurker said:
That's good. I do care. A company that is making money is more likely to be there to continue to serve me later. I don't want to have to buy new receivers and rewire my house everytime the wind blows "the best" service to another company. That is expensive. I don't have the time to mess with it. Other people care too, including some of those innocent subscribers you seem to want to convice to go elsewhere.
You have your believe. But as a subscriber I do not care about the companies finance. The same way I do not care who gives phone service or provides with electricity. I paid them a monthly bill and I get service. That's all I am asking. You have a misconception about re-wiring and new receivers. There is none of that if you know how to do it. As I said before, I do not care where you go and you are misquoting my statement. Please read carefully what I stated.
justalurker said:
Look through the posts and see what people are saying about ALL the HD sources. E* isn't the only one with a cloud. Cable doesn't reach all homes and many areas are not doing HD cable. D* is falsely advertising 1500 HD channels showing SD TVs yerning to receive it (at least Voom and Comcast use HD sets in their ads!). E* likes promising content in "the fall". V* may not be there next month. All of this has been pointed out in this thread.
All providers have their good and their bad. There is none of them that can satisfy anyone. I do not bring D*, C* or V* problems here because it is not relevant to the conversation. We are talking about E* and their planning. If I want to speak about other providers I will do it on their respective forums or threads. That seems to be more appropiate.
justalurker said:
But you seem to be touchy about that last possibility - overly sensitive any time someone reminds you that Voom might not be there some day. It is all part of the story.
You are so wrong. You brought the subject up because you think it will make a whole in my argument. As I said before this thread has nothing to do with the other providers but with E*. It seems like people are very proud of going in a different tangent and not sticking to the topic at for the purpose of trying to flaw the arguments at thand.
justalurker said:
When one discusses HD and satellite Voom immediately comes to mind. Blame the marketers ... at least people are making the connection. You have tried not to suggest Voom directly, but you certainly errupt when anyone mentions it may shut down.
If your HD provider really means nothing to you then don't sweat the small stuff.
Again you are wrong. Point in this thread where your "lies" are true. Where did I errupted in the manner which you implied (even in the VOOM forum). I for one have Dish and VOOM and can talk about both because I have them. You, on the other hand, go to the VOOM forum to poison every thread with your VENOM and do not have VOOM at all. Why is that? Why don't you stay here in the E* forum and stay away from the VOOM forum? Again, you are going on a tangent here with the only purpose of getting off track in the topic at hand. There's no need to do that.
Ok, back on topic. 
