Is there any movement in the DISH and CSNNE dispute. The Celtics season opens this week. I can't envision another year of not being able to watch Celtics coverage on a daily basis. It's been over a ear now. What gives.
I wouldn't say Dish hates sports, considering they offer the largest collection of college sports channels. Dish hates channels that think they can have everything under the sun. They have taken a stand against a whole variety of channels for that reason.Programming disputes with Dish can be short lived, unless it involves sports channels. Dish hates sports. I would expect to get CSN NE back the same time as MSG, MSG Plus and SNY get added for those of us in New York. If you are a fan of any mainstream sports, I would seriously think twice about subscribing to Dish.
and have dropped others without negotiating at all, I might add...
Thats too bad. It's not just the Celtics for me. They have the best sports reporting on all Boston area teams. I figured when I joined DISH, this would be like other disputes and be over in a few days or weeks, not linger on for years. It's a shame. It's the same old, same old. I pay over $120 to watch maybe 20 channels across the spectrum of DISH plans. No one is holding a gun to my head to do it, I realize. But when it's one of the channels you would watch on a daily basis, it is a pain in the ass. I would certainly pay to watch CSNNE and thought I was when I signed up. Anyway, thank god it's America and I do have choices.
I wouldn't say Dish hates sports, considering they offer the largest collection of college sports channels. Dish hates channels that think they can have everything under the sun. They have taken a stand against a whole variety of channels for that reason.
You had dorm thing there, until I realized the most watched channel(USA Network) gets $0.76 per sub, where sports channels extort the system. Just one for example is ESPN, which again is not the most watched channel on tv, and it gets $5+ per sub. Disney gets $3+. These channels can demand all they want and when a large provider such as Dish has someone like Charlie that can appropriately do a cost analysis... Guess what, they aren't here. Proving that providers can survive just fine with out MSG, YES, the Houston SportsNet, the Time Warner one in La. Proof that there is life without overly expensive RSN's, and Comcast got the experience of having one RSN go bankrupt die their own greed.Channels that bring in a high number of viewers are worth their weight in gold and should be able to demand everything under the sun. I mean, YES, the NY Yankees are the most popular sports franchise in the nation. They deserve to ask for more because of how popular the Yankees are. MSG and MSG Plus caters to the largest media market in the nation and here in Buffalo, we traditionally pull in the highest ratings among non Canadian markets for hockey.
Pro sports not seen on Dish (not counting the obvious Philadelphia)
NHL - NY Rangers, NY Islanders, NJ Devils, Buffalo Sabres
NBA - NY Knicks, Brooklyn Nets, Boston Celtics, Houston Rockets, LA Lakers, Portland Trail Blazers
MLB - NY Yankees, NY Mets, Houston Astros, LA Dodgers
MLS - NY Red Bulls, NYC FC, LA Galaxy, Houston Dynamo, NE Revolution
Did Dish ever kiss and make up with Sports Time Ohio over Cleveland Indians coverage? Does Dish carry ESPN College Extra? In HD? I know they carry all of the PAC-12 regionals, but if I remember correctly only the national feed is in HD.
It would not surprise me to see Dish drop NESN at some point in the future. They've already partially given up on the Boston market, that's how it started in NY. Contract spat with MSG and then pulling SNY since it was the only NY RSN left.
Channels that bring in a high number of viewers are worth their weight in gold and should be able to demand everything under the sun.
Several problems with that hypothesis.
In the case of the New York RSN's how many DISH subscribers can there be who watch those channels? They can only be seen by those in their market, and then only a percentage of those people will watch them.
Further making them less valuable, in predominately heavily populated market with so many living in apartments, how many have DISH to begin with? Obviously there are many who could have DISH but you can bet DISH looked at it's total subscribers there, figured out how many would actually leave over not having the RSNs, then looked at how much they would have to raise rates and made their decision. I'm betting DISH would gain a negligible amount of subscribers if they added those RSNs, and how much would rates have to raise?
Now contrast that to the highest watched channels, that are nationwide such as USA, TBS, TNT, Fox News, among the most watched, and cost a fraction of what the RSN's do, and affects millions of subscribers. Who is more worth their weight in gold? NESN is in about 4 million New England homes, what percentage of that even has DISH? (Small) Compare that to the mentioned highest watched channels that are in about 85% of ALL homes for most 14 million DISH households.
The weight in gold for the Sports channels is their live sports programming. People want to watch as it happens, as opposed to being willing to watch rebroadcast or online delayed scripted programming. I do watch NESN and they do have good numbers because the Red Sox and Bruins are very popular but we are still talking about numbers within how many subscribe to DISH in the New England market. That brings up another problem for the RSN's. If DISH were to not carry NESN I have no problem getting the MLB online package for the Red Sox and watch with my Fire Stick or Roku after making the necessary adjustments. I believe we are on cusp of local sports teams being available online anyway in conjunction with the local RSNs. (for a price of course)
Yet Dish remains the third most subscribed to service. I think they are doing just fine, and those bean counters are saving the money.. What happens if the other providers(just DTV would be enough) dropped that channel, or MSG or YES?? It's still a possibility when their contracts expire. And yet Dish still offers the most college sports.., further proving all your points wrong.The state has a population of 20M. It's not just how many customers Dish has/had in NY State. But the potential for growth just about ended. That is essentially 20 million people Dish is writing off. DirecTV has no trouble coming to an agreement for the RSNs, Verizon, who we all know how they have no interest in expanding their Fios footprint finds value in our RSNs for their limited subscriber base. Time Warner Cable, who did have a spat with MSG about 4 years ago, may be the major cable provider in the state, but there are many portions or rural Upstate NY that have no cable service and they came to an agreement to MSG.
Funny how the bean counters for all of the other MSOs came to the conclusion that it makes sense to not neglect the #1 media market in the nation, 4th most populated state in the union, but Dish's bean counters could not.