You can disagree with my opinion all you want. It doesn't change my idea that this change in the fee structure in 2010 is when DISH turned from the Low priced leader concerned about it's customer's wallets, to a greedy company more concerned about it's bottom line more. A $17.00 fee for a second 622/722/722k receiver was highway robbery. I had three of these receivers back then and had to get rid of two and go with 211ks in order to save the extra $20.00 a month fees I would of had , if I had stayed with all vip dvr receivers. I wasn't happy when I bought a second hopper at $7.00 a month and had it go up to $12.00 either. Had to trade in the second hopper for a super joey . Not to mention the Dvr fee has gone from $7.00 to $10.00 and now $12.00 for the hopper. I find all these extra fees one of the main reasons DISH is losing subs now. When I pay $29.00 a month to have a hopper , a super joey, joey receivers on my account, which is higher than the welcome pack at $19.99 and $5.00 less than the Smart pack at $34.99 , it is nothing but greed to me. You will never convince me that I am wrong on this one and I don't care what Directv or cable is charging in the way of fees, it doesn't make it any better because DISH is stooping to the same level as them ,but only a little cheaper a month than them. DISH should operate better than the competition ,not just like them.