Editing on Unihd/Bravo (1 Viewer)

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I recently acquired a DVR and am wondering whether movies shown on UNIHD and Bravo are shown uncut in their entirety, only with commercials added, or do those two channels cut out part of the movies in order to shown even more ads?

In other words, now that I have a DVR I can quickly speed through ads but have no interest in recording any movies that have been cut to pieces so a ton of ads can be injected into them.
 
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M Sparks

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Bravo USED to be unedited...in fact it used to be a premium channel. Rainbow watered it down in the 90's and then NBC ruined it entirely.

Universal HD (which used to be Bravo HD v1.0, strangely enough) shows everything uncut. They SOMETIMES have commercials...seems like it's in the evening. They are usually more limited than other channels...say 4 or 5 commercial breaks in a single movie.
 

AdamGott

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I have seen edited movies on universal HD but I think that they were from older cut prints of movies. I can't think of any specific title but there were a couple of 70's movies (one was a Roger Corman women in prison flick) that they showed about five years ago that had the nudity edited out of the film.
 

dummy

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Mar 23, 2007
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Thanks for much for the comments. It appears I can record UNIHD and just skip over the ads and still see the whole movie while Bravo is a waste of time to record. Frankly, I don't see how a station stays alive showing 79% or whatever of a movie.
 

HDRoberts

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Too each their own. I for one, frequently enjoy moderately edited movies (just so long as it is not solely for the sake of commercials). I think some of you (particularly you torture porn fans) need therapy if you think a movie needs to have profanity, violence, and nudity to be entertaining. I would would like the option of seeing the movie without the f-bombs.

Of course, you deserve your choices, too.
 

dummy

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I'll jump back in for one last comment to HDROBERTS. I agree that you don't need to hear every "f" word and the like. The problem is, if all you know is that the channel cuts out 20% or more of each movie, how on earth do you know what 20% they cut out? Plus, something tells me that once a channel start wielding the scissors, they have a had time stopping. Then, you have no idea of what you've just seen.

At the end of the day, I think its better to have access to whole movie. Then you can draw your own conclusions about the value of the movie.
 

M Sparks

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Too each their own. I for one, frequently enjoy moderately edited movies (just so long as it is not solely for the sake of commercials). I think some of you (particularly you torture porn fans) need therapy if you think a movie needs to have profanity, violence, and nudity to be entertaining. I would would like the option of seeing the movie without the f-bombs.

Of course, you deserve your choices, too.

I prefer movies that have appropriate usage of profanity, nudity, and violence. That could be none, or it could be a massive amount, depending on the film. I don't appreciate the recent trend of taking older R-rated films and cleaning up the script to remake them and market them to kids. I also don't think it's necessary to throw one or two off-color lines into kids movies in an effort to get a PG rating. I am an adult, and I am perfectly capable of deciding what I want to see. It might be Bambi, or it might be Bambi Does Bayone.

As far as I'm concerned, anything produced for adults is intended for adults, and I don't see the point in cleaning it up. I remember as a kid watching the censored versions of movies like Animal House on TV. Sure, I enjoyed it, but what were my parents thinking? You can take out the four letter words and 2 or 3 brief topless scenes, but it's still not appropriate for children. In fact, if I had children, I'd be much more comfortable with them seeing those scenes or hearing those words than watching the scenes of alcohol abuse, shoplifting, cheating, ect.

Personally, I think the people buying these Clearplay machines are the ones with psychological problems. I'm not saying that all adults should watch hardcore porn and splatter movies. I personally am not into most porn, and there are certain styles of violent movies that make me uncomfortable. SO I DON'T WATCH THEM! I don't want to see a censored version...what's the point?

As for "harsh language"...I just don't get it. It's just an arbitrary list of words. I don't use them very often in my personal life, but what harm do they do? Pat Robertson can spew out a diatribe of hatred on a supposedly religious channel, and that's OK. But if Bobby Brady says "These are f**kin' great cookies, Mom!", it somehow hurts people? It's terrible dialogue, yes, and inappropriate to the program. But it doesn't hurt anybody.

It seems particularly ironic to worry about on Bravo, which is loaded up with those Law & Order shows, describing horrific crimes endlessly. But back to those Clearplay machines. So this is a product aimed at people who say to themselves "I really enjoyed that Titanic movie...seeing all those people drown and freeze to death was just good entertainment. Why did they have to spoil it showing that woman's breasts? Disgusting! I just wish I could skip ahead to the tragedy!" THAT'S psychotic. THAT'S a potentially dangerous person.

EDIT- By the way, I have been offended by exactly 3 movies in my life. One was "Kids", which I felt was over-exploitative, but disguised itself as an "important" movie. One was a horror movie called "Don't Go In The House", which I thought was overly misogynistic even for a slasher film. And one was "Mixed Nuts", a PG rated Steve Martin "comedy"about a suicide hotline. None of these were offensive to me strictly due to the nudity, violence, or language. I have enjoyed films much "dirtier" than Kids, much gorier then Don't Go In The House, and much "darker" than Mixed Nuts. You could clean these movies up for TV all you want, but they're still going to be offensive to me.
 
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Sammy033

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You could clean these movies up for TV all you want, but they're still going to be offensive to me.

Thats an interesting point. In years past 'cleaning up for tv' applied to everything. There was no choice and unedited material wasnt even available for people to choose from. But nowdays its cleaning up for family viewing... which is just fine. UniHD is unedited (they say so anyways) and not a 'family' station. I would prefer them to stay that way.

Offhand I cant think of any movie that I would call offensive (not the same thing as dealing with an offensive subject). Many are silly. Many are crude. Many are just plain bad.
 

M Sparks

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But nowdays its cleaning up for family viewing... which is just fine.

If it needs to be "cleaned up", then it was never suitable for family viewing to begin with, IMO. That was my whole point.

In Animal House, there is a scene concerning an underage girl making out with Tom Hulce's character. The girl passes out drunk. There is a brief topless shot that serves as a punchline to the joke (her bra was full of tissues), followed by the old devil/angel on the shoulder bit that contains "harsh" language. Hulce's character realizes he can not take advantage of her, so he takes her home.

The TV version (or at least the one shown in the 70's) cuts the scene slightly before she passes out. We then see the girl being dumped off at her home in a shopping cart. We lose the joke, because we dare not see a nipple on TV. We lose the angel/devil scene, which shows that the male did NOT take advantage of her. All we see is a scene that appears to be leading up to a sex act, followed by her being dumped on her doorstep. The scene isn't funny, because the jokes have been removed. Worse yet, the viewer assumes that the sex act DID occur, which would have been statutory rape at best. And we are never shown why the girl is unconscious (though we do know she had been drinking.) When I was a kid, I thought she was dead until she reappeared later in the movie.

So is that scene "family friendly"? In the "dirty" version, the scene ends with Hulce returning the girl home relatively unscathed except for being passed out drunk. In the "clean" version, we see what is potentially the aftermath of a rape/murder...or at the very least, a young girl who has been taken advantage of and dumped as soon as the sex was over.

"Oh no, we can't see a nipple! We can't hear a naughty word! It's bad! Turn on CSI, and find out if David Caruso figured out what happened to that man's colon...it's so nice that he doesn't swear! At least he wears loose slacks. I hate it when we can see the evidence that men have genitalia! Perverts in their bluejeans. Women in their sweaters, with those FILTHY bulges. It's disgusting. So glad I got rid of mi...

...Oh, they took out the colon with a vacuum cleaner. Very clever twist. Colons are dirty anyway...oh my goodness...a condom commercial. I better go file a complaint with the FCC. Sex is dirty. That's for blacks and mexicans. Ahhh...time for Bill O'Reiley..."

Yeah, I'm the unhealthy one.
 

AekaGSR

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I say if you don't like whats being shown, you can always change the channel, or better yet, lock it out. Don't ruin it for everyone else by encouraging changes that tell other people what is better for them. Personal responsibility is key.
 

HDRoberts

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First, I did not advocate that we all should be forced to watch edited down versions. Like I said, we all deserve the choice. But why can't I have a slightly cleaner option for myself and like minded individuals? So I miss a joke or two' so what., its my choice. There are plenty of places (premiums, IFC, UniHD, HDNet Movies, Netflix) where you can unedited movies. But us that would prefer not having to hear f-bombs or see gratuitous violence only have the networks ad basic cable. Yes, personal responsibility is key, but does the choice have to be all or nothing? Can't there be a place between "Saw" and "Sesame Street?" Besides, like you tell me, you don’t want to see it, turn it off and get it somewhere else unedited.

Yes, there are many movies (for example, the above mentioned "Animal House") that might be, for some, unacceptable under any circumstance. But there are others that walk a finer line. For example, "The Shawshank Redemption" is my favorite drama. However, I prefer the edited version. Do I really need to hear Clancy Brown drop the f-bomb 100 times to get the idea he's a sadistic man? Do I really need to see the Sisters beat Andy into a pulp to get that they were gang-raping him? Same with "Saving Private Ryan." Beautiful film. But still, do I need to see a guy get his head blown off to get that Normandy was a rough place? This is the kind of stuff that gave our grandfathers PTSD.

Also, many movies had gratuitous
junk added for shock value. Swordfish showed Hally Berry's tits just because they new teenage boys would go see the move just for that. The scene added nothing to the movie.

Also, it isn't just about "family friendly" I have no kids, so I'm not worried about what they see. Just because I became an adult doesn't mean I suddenly what endless strings of profanity shouted in my ear.
 

ripnbigc

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Cleaned up movies are always shown on TBS and TNT, leave UHD alone. I remember when they didn't have commercials during movies, which was much better, but at least they don't edit them.
 

HDRoberts

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Cleaned up movies are always shown on TBS and TNT, leave UHD alone. I remember when they didn't have commercials during movies, which was much better, but at least they don't edit them.

When did I say Universal HD should be censored? I was just arguing against some of you that are saying no movie should ever be edited for broadcast (though I agree they should never be edited just for more commercials). We all deserve a choice.
 
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