FCC pushing Dish for details of their cellular buildout.

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Remember we are talking about the FCC . This is a government organization. A good lawyer, politician or lobbyist can change a lot . And Dish has all of the above.


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The FCC is well aware of Charlie’s games.

Remember the shell company he creates to try to get a discount on the auction for being a new startup company?

He used to get away with a lot of crap 18-22 years ago. However everyone has gotten wise to his game and tactics and knows to stay away dealing with Dish.
 
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The FCC is well aware of Charlie’s games.

Remember the shell company he creates to try to get a discount on the auction for being a new startup company?

He used to get away with a lot of crap 18-22 years ago. However everyone has gotten wise to his game and tactics and knows to stay away dealing with Dish.
Just like AT&T did before them....
 
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There’s some pretty smart money betting on LEO and MEO satellites for Internet. I’m sure they’ve done the math and believe there’s money to be made, even if WE don’t see how.

Polar orbiting satellites will travel over every bit of the earth below. Equatorial orbits can cover most of the earth. There are no LEO or MEO orbits that could be placed over ocean areas only. For that, you’d need geosynchronous or geostationary.

If Charlie’s plan is truly 5G, he still has a ways to wait. Commercial 5G antenna systems are just now starting to become available. Both “tower” and “home end” antenna systems are needed. Even if the tower end is atop a telephone pole.

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Interesting article on the LEO satellites.


Why Satellite Internet Is the New Space Race
 
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Interesting article on the LEO satellites.


Why Satellite Internet Is the New Space Race
SpaceX's proposal is to launch over 4,000 sats to LEO. That is about 4 times the number of sats in orbit right now.
So when SpaceX filed a request with the FCC to send 4,425 satellites into low-Earth orbit (LEO) to provide a global high-speed internet network, the FCC was reasonably concerned. For more than a year, the company responded to questions from the commission and petitions by competitors to deny the application, including filing an "orbital debris mitigation plan" to allay fears of Kesslerian apocalypse. On March 28, the FCC granted SpaceX's application.


SpaceX Starlink


On the back of this tech, 11 companies filed applications in the same FCC "processing round" as SpaceX did, each tackling the problem a bit differently.

Elon Musk announced the SpaceX Starlink program in 2015 and opened a Seattle-based division of the company. He told employees there, "We want to revolutionize the satellite side of things, just as we've done with the rocket side of things."

In 2016, the company filed the FCC application, which called for 1,600 (later reduced to 800) satellites to go up between now and 2021, followed by the rest before 2024. These will fly between 1,110km and 1,325km above the ground, circling the Earth in 83 distinct orbital planes. The constellation, as a group of satellites is called, will communicate with one another via onboard optical (laser) interlinks, so that data can be bounced along the sky rather than returning to the ground—tracing a long bridge rather than an upside-down V.

Their "terminal" would be the size of a pizza box.
On the ground, customers will mount a new sort of terminal with electronically steered antennas that automatically connect to whichever satellite is currently offering the best signal—similar to the way a cell phone picks towers. Because LEO satellites move relative to the Earth, the system will switch between them every 10 minutes or so. And because thousands will be up there, at least 20 will always be available to choose from, according to Patricia Cooper, VP of Satellite Government Affairs for SpaceX.

The ground unit should be cheaper and easier to mount than traditional satellite dishes, which have to be positioned physically to point at the part of the sky where the corresponding GSO satellite lives. SpaceX described the terminal as the size of a pizza box (though it did not note what size pizza).
 

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Not to diminish Charlie Ergen's prior business successes, but it's entirely possible to have had the acumen in the 80s to create and grow Echostar/Dish and also fail to maintain or grow your business in 2018. These aren't mutually exclusive ideas. If you think him being a billionaire makes him smarter than us, or makes all his recent business decisions unquestionable, I have a billion dollar bridge to sell you.
 

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That article is from a year ago, here is the most recent under Scott's Quote

How about DISH and Amazon get together to roll out their own 5G Network?

Just something to make you go hmm...
As far as Amazon goes- But Sprint sold to SoftBank, and earlier this year agreed to merge with T-Mobile. Ergen also talked to Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos about partnering with Dish on a buildout, according to a Wall Street Journal story last July. The talks appear to have gone nowhere.

Dish chairman Charlie Ergen is running out of time on his $20 billion bet
 

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I'd guess at a minimum , he will default on the early buildouts.

He is doing what the FCC calls " spectrum parking".

A speculator buys up licences , betting that they can find partners or sell capacity before the drop dead date.

The FCC is well experienced concerning this practice and their practice is to come down with a hammer, invalidate the licences, recover the spectrum, declare the cash payments non refundable and , if serious enough , blacklist the licencee for future licences.

They might give someone a few months extra if they have an accident or some other act of God, affecting time frame but this one will not fit those conditions.

And new partners mean nothing. They want systems running and delaying shell games (partners) will not be accepted.

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The thing is he sees 5G for what it is, the SD to HD of OTA signal transmission. He knows Dish is not the future, 5G is. So he is trying to use his leverage to shift over to OTA, but it isn’t simple due to tech progress and timing of his FCC transmission rights.
 

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