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Galaxy 4 communications after May 1998 (C-Band/Ku-Band)

Discussion in 'Free To Air (FTA) Discussion' started by JosephHolloway1998, Feb 10, 2019.

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  1. JosephHolloway1998

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    I already bough the book (World Satellite Yearly 1998/2000), but aside from Lyngsat & SatcoDX are there any other satellite links on the Wayback Machine? I'm curious. Something similar to this:Satellite Chart But for Ku-Band services.
     
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    In post #14, Brct203 's links show both C and KU channel listings. The satellites that have Ku capability show their transponders listed at the bottom of each page (below the C-band listings).
     
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    how much was the cost of Ku-Band like in '98?
     
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    You'll have to define that a bit better, as we watch FTA stuff. That's 'FREE to air'. We don't pay to watch things on standard KU band, we watch stuff broadcast in the clear. Our costs are amortized in receiver, lnbf, dish, coax, etc.

    Most of us do the majority of this as a hobby, and actually watching tv is secondary. It's the thrill of the chase sometimes, to find a live newsfeed or something that otherwise would be censored on regular tv news.
     
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    I mean standard Ku-Band actually!
     
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    Are you talking about the hardware costs, subscription costs for non-FTA content or something entirely different?

    If you want specifics, you need to be painfully specific.
     
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    So did I, in my post. I doubt very many of us had KU ability back in 1998. It wasn't very mainstream yet, and most analog receivers didn't have the capability to receive it.
     
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    I only had C-band. And I fell out of the hobby around 1997 or 1998. I didn't come back until almost 20 years later, and now I'm mostly all Ku. It's good to be back :)
     
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    Oh! but it cost considerably less than a C-Band satellite, the C-Band service was mainly reserved for government communications (White House, U.S. Government, U.S. Military etc...), standard Ku-Band was for home use & resilient to tropical rain which makes it easier for smaller antenna systems & suitable for aeronautical communications.
    But what about the ABC affiliates that were on standard Ku-Band? (aside from WFAA/Dallas Ft. Worth, WJLA/Washington D.C., WCVB/Boston, WPLG/Miami-Ft. Lauderdale, WLS/Chicago, WSB/Atlanta (also uplinked on Primestar as the east coast ABC affiliate), KABC/Los Angeles (also uplinked on Primestar as the west coast ABC affiliate, and one of the backup affiliate feeds on C-Band), WABC/New York City, KNXV/Phoenix, KGO/San Francisco, WTAE/Pittsburgh etc....)
     
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    Huh? Did you even have C-band in the early 90's? It was very much for home use. Ku was NOT where the home users hung out. All of the major networks and pay-TV channels were on C-band. And Ku is NOT resilient to tropical rain. Now you're just starting to sound like a troll :facepalm
     
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    What he said ^^^

    C-BAND is resilient to rain, NOT KU band. I've also had a c-band dish since 1984, and I can assure you, few or none of us are government people. It was NOT reserved mostly or even only for the government.

    This is going nowhere, and I don't see you learning anything. I'm out of here.
     
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    +primestar31 Wait! before you go, I need to know what Ku-Band was used for? This must be a misunderstanding! (I know you're not government people and I am not a troll!), I know the major networks & pay-TV channels were C-Band, but what about the Ku-Band service affiliate and news feeds? (ABC, NBC, Fox, CBS, The WB, UPN, PBS, Channel One News, CNN Newsource etc....)
     
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    Primarily ENG and event backhauls.
     
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    but didn't they have affiliates (ABC/NBC/Fox/CBS/UPN/WB, Kelly Broadcasting) on Spacenet 3R/Anik E2 aside from ENG & event backhauls? (Ku-Band)
     
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    I don't recall any KU 24/7 networks prior to MPEG2 . An analog TP or half TPs would light up for occasional use.
     
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    [QUOTE="Primestar]

    This is going nowhere, and I don't see you learning anything. I'm out of here.[/QUOTE]

    Ding Ding Ding! He's got to be talking about the locals directv uplinked but getting it confused with regular ku band. He clearly didn't have c or ku. He's either trolling. School project headed for an F or for some purpose I haven't figured out.
    HBO and Cinemax were on K1 way back in the 80s with NBC on ku band when NBC shifted from c to ku. There were no local stations on ku band on a regular basis. Equity had some on G18 ku band for a while but nothing regular.
    When Directv started locals some of those were available in the 90s. I remember Phoenix was up for a while. I can't remember if that was c or ku.
    I'm done too.

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    One more note then im done.. :)
    Was spacenet 3 on ku? Superstations were on cband in analog then vodeocypher.
    Directv locals has/had a different encryption we can't purchase. When they uplinked affiliates. They were sometimes unscrambled for a bit but then they would scramble and we couldn't get them. I don't think they are even on satellite anymore.
    With the amount of locals you are mentioning thrn it had to be for directv or dish?

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    When the G4 satellite was shut down, Ku-Band viewers would go elsewhere for WB programming (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, 7th Heaven, Dawson's Creek, Alright Already, Unhappily Ever After, The Wayans Bros., Invasion America, Kelly Kelly, Jamie Foxx, Steve Harvey, etc...). But the "Spacenet 3R" feeds carried stations from the Washington, D.C., Dallas, Miami, Atlanta, Boston, San Francisco, Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, Phoenix and Salt Lake City areas. (the "Denver" package (Denver 6) was limited to C-Band viewers) But were there any other markets Ku-Band and S3R carried stations from? and I'm actually mentioning them for the standard Ku-Band (not the ones direct to consumers like Primestar, DirecTV/U.S. Satellite Broadcasting, Dish Network and TCI Digital Cable) and Yes, Spacenet 3/3R was on Ku.
     
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    Joseph, ok, maybe you really are trying to get this info for a legit project, I don't know. It would have been MOST helpful if you had spent a post explaining all that right off the bat, and maye given us a little bit of your background. However, you have to understand that "regular ku" for consumer use (home) was very much in it's infancy until passed the year 2000.

    Very few of us had it back then, and it's just too far back to remember for any of the older guys like me that are left. I didn't have ku band until 1999, and it was nothing but backhauls and such. C-band was used for MOST everything.

    I remember watching a c-band feed of the aftermath of a HUGE train crash in England in the mid-1990's. I watched a c-band feed for like a WEEK or more of the aftermath of the Oklahoma Federal bldg after it was blown up. They actually had cameras on the site 24/7 for a LONG time as they were sifting through the rubble and digging out bodies. You saw maybe 1/10% of that on regular news of what I and others that had backyard dishes got to see. I watched a c-band feed of an airplane (Funjet? can't remember but something important about this one) that had crashed in Florida, anything you were lucky enough to catch that they uplinked. But all on C-BAND.

    I couldn't tell you at this point what sats they were on. They've nearly ALL been replaced by now, maybe multiple times.
     
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    And don't forget the OJ Simpson high speed chase....
     
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