Going to all-digital. Questions.

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Well, I think I had a major revelation last night. I have one analog bedroom TV and had planned just to replace it with a small HDTV soon, before the analog signals disappear next year.

But while looking at TVs in the store last night, I noticed something. None of the TVs have a coax input. So, I can't just replace the TV--I am also going to have to rent a second cable box (STB) so the TV will work. That stinks.

Or am I missing something here?
 
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I have never seen a TV without a coax input. You were looking at monitors and not TVs is my conclusion.
 
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Nope...this was the entire lineup of 22in HDTVs at a major retailer...numerous different brands--about 5-6 different sets. They typically had HDMI, component, S-Video, composite. No coax. And they were NOT marked as monitors.
 
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Major retailers make mistakes all the time.

A display without a tuner is a monitor.

Note that because you didn't see the connector doesn't mean that it isn't there. Many of the flat panel displays have the connectors situated parallel to the plane of the screen so that the TV can be mounted flat to the wall. An F connector pointed perpendicular to the plane of the screen and the attached coaxial cable forces you to either drill a hole or find some sort of right angle adapter.

More than a couple of the retailers in my area use RF to distribute sound and picture to their display TVs. The alternative (component video w/stereo audio distribution amps) can be awfully expensive if you have more than a handful of display models.
 
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Well, I will look again...never thought about the side-in approach. I was looking where all the other connectors were--which, in almost all of the models, was in a recessed area in the back.
 
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Some of the smaller LCD tvs (the HD ones) do not have coax inputs... I assume its because they figure you will use the HD inputs! A cheap way to get around this would be to use a VCR as the tuner, and use RCA cables to connect the VCR to the tv. (I recommend a VCR/DVD combo because who the hell has any vhs tapes anymore!?)
 
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Then its perfect for you :) DVD/VCR Combo and your all set.

Question though why are you replacing the "analog" tv in the bedroom for? You do realize since you have BHN Servcice you will not be affected by the changes that will be happening in 2009 ? BHN Also offers a box for 1$ so you can receive those analog channels that have no become digital. Just ask for it by name, :)
 
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... You do realize since you have BHN Servcice you will not be affected by the changes that will be happening in 2009 ? ...

?? If you "have BHN service, you won't be affected?"" Then why is BHN making such a big deal about it if it affects no one?
 
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Major retailers make mistakes all the time.

A display without a tuner is a monitor.

Note that because you didn't see the connector doesn't mean that it isn't there. Many of the flat panel displays have the connectors situated parallel to the plane of the screen so that the TV can be mounted flat to the wall. An F connector pointed perpendicular to the plane of the screen and the attached coaxial cable forces you to either drill a hole or find some sort of right angle adapter.

More than a couple of the retailers in my area use RF to distribute sound and picture to their display TVs. The alternative (component video w/stereo audio distribution amps) can be awfully expensive if you have more than a handful of display models.


I doubt it was a mistake. No retailer puts up six or seven monitors and labels them HDTVs... come on! I have seen newer TVs without coaxial inputs.

They probably are just assuming you'll use a cable box. Yes, it is a stupid assumption, because Radio Shack sells some wonderful $50 HDTV antennas that connect via the coaxial input to an internal tuner. But they will do anything to bring down the cost.

Radio Shack also sells coaxial to composite converters and vice versa.
 
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BHN Is not making a big deal out of it. The broadcast networks are. BHN May be advertising telling people, hey OTA is going digital switch to BHN and you will not be affected.

But BHN is not required to be all digital in 2009, that only applies to Over-The-Air (OTA) signals. BHN will have an analog line up for some time to come. It may shrink over time, but I forsee them holding at least some analog lineup for the next few years. (Perhaps just an "ANT Service") But if BHN decides to go all digital in the future, they will do so like other companies who have done so, offering customers very cheap, rental boxes, 1$ is what the current price is for one of those digital converters.

But as of right now there are no plans for BHN to go all digital in this area, so you will not be affected by the 2009 Feb, change. When BHN decides to go all digital (its bound to happen one day) they will provide the box for you, as your VCR will not be able to tune digital channels. You could also buy a digital tuner that has a cable card slot. I would wait though till a good one that is tru2way compatible before making a purchase. Otherwise hold off on that new TV unless you really want it, because you do not need it anytime soon.
 
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Wow, stevenl, I am clearly confused now.

It seems you are saying that when that magic date arrives, the next day, people on BHN will see no difference--no matter what TV, or box (or not) that they have.

Is that right?

If so, why did they do that thing at 7:59PM a few days ago to see if your TV went black (I missed it)? You're saying they won't go black anyway.

Yes, I am VERY confused now.
 
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When the date arrives, the next day, people that have TV's plugged into BHN's cable lines will see no difference. If your other household TV's are using "rabbit ears" or getting channels over the air, they will go black.
Cities like Orlando and Wilmington, N.C. are conducting DTV tests to help gauge the impact/test readiness for Feb. 17th, 2009. The FCC is mandating the DTV transistion. Bright House and other MSO's are educating the consumer.

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That's very good news. I must say, though, that the information going to the public then is not clear. The message has been, that if you have an analog TV, you are SOL unless it is fed from an STB or one of the new boxes the gov't $40 offset helps to buy. It has NEVER been so clearly stated as here just now--that if you are cable-fed and can see it now, NOTHING will change on the changeover date.
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That's very good news. I must say, though, that the information going to the public then is not clear. The message has been, that if you have an analog TV, you are SOL unless it is fed from an STB or one of the new boxes the gov't $40 offset helps to buy. It has NEVER been so clearly stated as here just now--that if you are cable-fed and can see it now, NOTHING will change on the changeover date.
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That is indeed correct for most cable companies such as Bright House. The problem is that many other cable companies are deciding to use this confusion to their advantage by going all digital on their cable networks even though they don't have to do so. This allows the cable company to free up tons of bandwidth for HD services etc. The problem is that in places like the Tampa Bay area this isn't viable quite yet as this area has tons of elderly people who don't have a box from BHN. So if BHN were to go all digital all of these customers would need to get a digital box of some sort from BHN.

Markets with heavy retirement populations have a far lower percentage of analog only cable customers who have no digital boxes at all. This is simply why these ads cannot be as clear as they could be because it does greatly vary from state to state and market to market with regards to cable companies.

I hope my post helps answer some of the reasons of this complex mess and I hope I didn't create more issues and confusion.
 
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I doubt it was a mistake. No retailer puts up six or seven monitors and labels them HDTVs... come on! I have seen newer TVs without coaxial inputs.

They probably are just assuming you'll use a cable box. Yes, it is a stupid assumption, because Radio Shack sells some wonderful $50 HDTV antennas that connect via the coaxial input to an internal tuner. But they will do anything to bring down the cost.

Radio Shack also sells coaxial to composite converters and vice versa.

If there is no coax inut and no tuner it is supposed to be called a monitor.

As for converters you cannot just convert the coax signal to component or composite. You needa tuner in there somewhere.
 
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Wow, stevenl, I am clearly confused now.

It seems you are saying that when that magic date arrives, the next day, people on BHN will see no difference--no matter what TV, or box (or not) that they have.

Is that right?

If so, why did they do that thing at 7:59PM a few days ago to see if your TV went black (I missed it)? You're saying they won't go black anyway.

Yes, I am VERY confused now.

That thing at 7:59 was not BHN doing it. That was the local broadcast stations doing it. Had nothing to do with BHN. No one with BHN service needed to worry about that test they will not be affected by it.

I am saying exactly what you think I am saying, if you have BHN ignore anything they say about the DTV transition in feb of 2009 has nothing to do with you as a BHN customer. It is only for those people who receive signal from an off air antenna. What happend at 7:59 was the broadcast stations (local6, fox etc) turned off there analog signal on there towers. BHN was not affected because we get our signal via fiber optic. So again your safe if you have BHN ignore the TV.


From BHNs website:

http://cfl.mybrighthouse.com/products_and_pricing/digital_cable/dtv.aspx
 
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If there is no coax inut and no tuner it is supposed to be called a monitor.

As for converters you cannot just convert the coax signal to component or composite. You needa tuner in there somewhere.

I didn't see where she said it had no tuner. Just because there is not coax it doesn't mean there is no tuner.

I am missing something in your logic.

You say there has to be a tuner in there somewhere. Well Duh!!!
 
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You need a coax input to get the RF signal to the tuner. Tuners do not accept signal via component, composite etc. They get it from an RF connector sometimes called a coax input. A tuner would be worthless without one. No offense is intended but I am missing in your logic as well. Why would a set have a tuner if it had no way to get a signal to it? Perhaps you think that the component or composite cables are sending RF signals but it does not work that way.

If there really is no coax input it is a monitor. No problem with that. if you plan to get TV from other sources it is fine but know what you are buying. If you intend to use OTA signals the monitor is not right for you unless you have an external tuner of some kind to feed those other inputs.

But a set without a tuner is called a monitor. And there would be no reason to build a Tv of any kind with a tuner and no coax input. Neither of those things have any use without the other.
 
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You need a coax input to get the RF signal to the tuner. Tuners do not accept signal via component, composite etc. They get it from an RF connector sometimes called a coax input. A tuner would be worthless without one. No offense is intended but I am missing in your logic as well. Why would a set have a tuner if it had no way to get a signal to it? Perhaps you think that the component or composite cables are sending RF signals but it does not work that way.

If there really is no coax input it is a monitor. No problem with that. if you plan to get TV from other sources it is fine but know what you are buying. If you intend to use OTA signals the monitor is not right for you unless you have an external tuner of some kind to feed those other inputs.

But a set without a tuner is called a monitor. And there would be no reason to build a Tv of any kind with a tuner and no coax input. Neither of those things have any use without the other.

I have a first generation HDTV with no internal digital tuner. It has an old analog tuner, but no digital tuner. For digital, we used a digital box from our provider. If I wanted to use digital OTA signals, I could have bought an expensive HDTV tuner. My two newer HDTVs have an internal HDTV tuner. In either case, they still called my TV a TV.

A solution here if this thing does not have a coaxial input would be for the OP to use either a VCR or DVD-R recorder or combination of the two that has a tuner and then they can use composite, component, or HDMI to get the signal from the device to the TV. Again, it doesn't matter with BHN. Their analog signal will work for some time and she (the OP) can use the cheap VCR to tune the TV if it doesn't have a tuner.

Think about it this way. It is obviously more expensive still to make a digital tuner in the TV. It is obviously stupid to encourage peole by adding an old analog tuner to a new HDTV. So these low end TVs have gone the route of assuming you will use an external tuner. Should we stop calling this a TV?

You know of course I am playing devil's advocate with you. Chances are there is a coaxail input somewhere on that TV that accepts an analog OTA antenna and has a tuner. My only concern with what you said is the notion that the store mis-labeled a whole row of devices as TVs and not monitors. That seems highly unlikely that they would make that big of mistake. I know some store workers are idiots but they have managers and QT teams to keep things straight. I don't think she was shopping for TVs at Big Lots, where the stuff is all just thrown against a wall in no order (price, size, brand, etc).

But anyway...... let's get something straight. It has already been gotten straight but I am adding to it. If you have cable, satellite, or vcr, dvd, dvd-recorder, etc... these devices will still work after the digital transition. The only thing that will not work will be the OTA antennas on an analog set. That is why they have those stupid converter boxes.

Obviously the converter box has its own tuner for the digital signal and then it sends it out as analog to the TV. Has anybody actually played with these devices? I have seen them at Target. I'll bet they don't just have a coaxial output to the TV. I'll bet they also have a composite output to the TV. So in the sense of this setup not using an internal tuner, you could call the display a monitor. Maybe all these new screeens are going just composite, as not to confuse the consumer. Also, keep in mind, most TVs for at least the last 15 years had composite inputs... whether it be just mono sound and video or left and right audio channels with video.

Somebody said the cable companies are trying to confuse consumers. I agree with that. What better way to get those final holdouts to upgrade to digital cable, once and for all.

Get 'em with fear. It is the American way.
 

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