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Chris Walker

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Saw where they are adding all the HBOs in HD on 8/1. Will the SD version of HBO Zone be included in the HBO package or will it just be the HD version added?
 
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There was a discussion on this some time ago. A lot of what HBO Zone has is duplicated in the other HBO channels. Unless Charlie sees something on Zone he wants, I doubt you will see it added if it hasn't been already. Dish adding HD feeds would not change this.
 
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Actually Zone has fewer duplicates than most of the other channels. But this one of many mysteries about the announcement.
 
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My theory is that HBO Zone SD might replace HBO 2 West SD. The slide shown on the chat showed HBO2 West and NOT East, but the press release said East only for HD. It seems odd they would have one channel that was only in SD, and one channel that was only in HD.
 
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My theory is that HBO Zone SD might replace HBO 2 West SD. The slide shown on the chat showed HBO2 West and NOT East, but the press release said East only for HD. It seems odd they would have one channel that was only in SD, and one channel that was only in HD.

We only have HBO East in HD, west is not. Same thing with Starz and Showtime. Guess it's been odd for a while now.
 
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We only have HBO East in HD, west is not. Same thing with Starz and Showtime. Guess it's been odd for a while now.

You missed the point completely. Here, let me restate with emphasis.

"It seems odd they would have ONE channel that was ONLY in SD, AND ONE channel that was ONLY in HD."

There are currently no premium packages on DISH that have an HD exclusive. (DirecTV does for Starz.) There are also no premium packages that only have ONE SD channel that doesn't have an HD counterpart...though there will be after this change (Cinemax will be missing MoreMax-HD.)

My point...from a marketing point of view, it makes perfect sense. Switching a west feed to a different feed offers a bit more variety for the SD customers. And it allows them to say "ALL HBO channels available in HD."

It's been done before, when they switched Starz Cinema West to Starz Comedy.
 
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We won't know until August 1. HBO has been trying for years to get Charlie to take the HBO Zone, and Charlie has consistently said that HBO wants "too much money" for the channel. IMHO, HBO had Charlie were they wanted him this time. Me thinks HBO The Zone was the price for getting all the other HBO's in HD, and Charlie desperately needs good content HD channels, such as all the premium movie channels. I would not be surprised to see HBO The Zone on SD, as well. You win some; you lose some. Charlie would have preferred not having to pay for the addition of HBO The Zone, but that's business. But we shall see on August 1.
 
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I don't remember Charlie ever saying ANYTHING about HBO Zone.
 
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You missed the point completely. Here, let me restate with emphasis.

"It seems odd they would have ONE channel that was ONLY in SD, AND ONE channel that was ONLY in HD."

There are currently no premium packages on DISH that have an HD exclusive. (DirecTV does for Starz.) There are also no premium packages that only have ONE SD channel that doesn't have an HD counterpart...though there will be after this change (Cinemax will be missing MoreMax-HD.)

My point...from a marketing point of view, it makes perfect sense. Switching a west feed to a different feed offers a bit more variety for the SD customers. And it allows them to say "ALL HBO channels available in HD."

It's been done before, when they switched Starz Cinema West to Starz Comedy.
Is it just me? Or are you a real prick? Everytime you answer a post, you have to berate someone. Take a Prozac. Or better yet, if you can't be nice, then don't respond at all!!!
 
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With a 722 DVR, I don't see why we need west coast feeds of any channel. I DVR everything. I never watch Live tv except football. Do we really need a channels with exact same programing that runs two hours later than the regular channel. A good way to save bandwidth would be to eliminate the West coast feed of all channels including Disney etc.
Everyone should have a DVR, if you ever got one, you would never go back.
 
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With a 722 DVR, I don't see why we need west coast feeds of any channel. I DVR everything. I never watch Live tv except football. Do we really need a channels with exact same programing that runs two hours later than the regular channel. A good way to save bandwidth would be to eliminate the West coast feed of all channels including Disney etc.
Everyone should have a DVR, if you ever got one, you would never go back.

Sorry, but I don't want a DVR. I do, however, want West coast feeds. Maybe we should get rid of all East coast feeds and only have West coast feeds.
 
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Maybe once they do the eastern arc and then the western arc service in total mpeg 4 , they might do just eastern feeds on the eastern arc and western on the western arc. Enabeling less duplication and they might add another feed of all premium services in place of the duplication west /east coast feeds on both arc services.
 
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I don't remember Charlie ever saying ANYTHING about HBO Zone.

Over the years the HBO Zone has been briefly discussed on at least 4 different Charlie Chats, most recently a little over a year ago, that I can remember, starting several years ago. In one chat, one of the honored gusts was a muckie-muck from HBO, and a caller asked about getting HBO the Zone (I think the same guy called a year later), and Charlie took advantage of the situation and said, "The reason we don't have HBO The Zone is because HBO wants too much money!" A quick camera cut to the the female HBO exec as she sheepishly grinned and the peanut gallery and all in studio laughed. It really was one of those Charlie Ergan comical moments.

In subsequent chats he continued to mention price as the primary reason, but later changed the reason by having the previous programming exec say that the same content on HBO The Zone could be seen on the other HBO's they offered. This was generally true in the past as all these "theme" premium movie channels, in fact, do play virtually the same content as seen on the flagship channels. It really is marketing and BS just to create the multi-plex model that is really designed to force cable and sat to pay for these channels and charge us more money.

The flagship channels show a variety of movies and TV shows for which they have the rights to air. Now, take that same content from the flagship channels and break it up according to theme such as Comedy, Women's, Family, whatever, and air those themed movies on the themed channel, and you don't have to pay rights for additional content to fill up these themed channel. The irony is that the most unique films on the themed channels are often low-budget, low-brow, overall poor quality (as in script, writing, ideas) movies. Kind of the same junk available on DishONLINE.

However, there are a few channels that truly come closer to airing good quality, unique content such as Starz Cinema (although there is still a fair amount of overlap) or HBO Comedy airing all those old comics stand up performances. But, in general, it really is a scam. However, one good thing about the scam is that it does offer more opportunities to catch a movie one may have missed, and it does provide the same content spread over many show times as opposed to one channel.
 
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Jeeze, I've had Dish over 10 years and thought I'd seen every CC broadcast. I don't recall Charlie ever mentioning HBO, Zone or otherwise, either. I must've been sleepin'----hard to do during such an exciting viewing experience. LOL

Ed
 
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We won't know until August 1. HBO has been trying for years to get Charlie to take the HBO Zone, and Charlie has consistently said that HBO wants "too much money" for the channel. IMHO, HBO had Charlie were they wanted him this time. Me thinks HBO The Zone was the price for getting all the other HBO's in HD, and Charlie desperately needs good content HD channels, such as all the premium movie channels. I would not be surprised to see HBO The Zone on SD, as well. You win some; you lose some. Charlie would have preferred not having to pay for the addition of HBO The Zone, but that's business. But we shall see on August 1.

Multiplex premium channels cost nothing extra. It's always been a question of "Will the bandwidth attract any extra subscribers?"
 
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Is it just me? Or are you a real prick? Everytime you answer a post, you have to berate someone. Take a Prozac. Or better yet, if you can't be nice, then don't respond at all!!!

Um, yeah, occasionally. Actually pretty often these days, since overall, this board has gotten so bitchy lately. I tend to be extra nice to anyone nice and extra rude to anyone rude.

But in this case, I don't see what I did wrong. I tried to make a point. Gary missed it completely. I tried to clarify. I didn't try to insult him...just make my point more clear. I've got no problem with him.

You on the other hand...
 
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Over the years the HBO Zone has been briefly discussed on at least 4 different Charlie Chats, most recently a little over a year ago, that I can remember, starting several years ago. In one chat, one of the honored gusts was a muckie-muck from HBO, and a caller asked about getting HBO the Zone (I think the same guy called a year later), and Charlie took advantage of the situation and said, "The reason we don't have HBO The Zone is because HBO wants too much money!" A quick camera cut to the the female HBO exec as she sheepishly grinned and the peanut gallery and all in studio laughed. It really was one of those Charlie Ergan comical moments.

In subsequent chats he continued to mention price as the primary reason, but later changed the reason by having the previous programming exec say that the same content on HBO The Zone could be seen on the other HBO's they offered. This was generally true in the past as all these "theme" premium movie channels, in fact, do play virtually the same content as seen on the flagship channels. It really is marketing and BS just to create the multi-plex model that is really designed to force cable and sat to pay for these channels and charge us more money.

The flagship channels show a variety of movies and TV shows for which they have the rights to air. Now, take that same content from the flagship channels and break it up according to theme such as Comedy, Women's, Family, whatever, and air those themed movies on the themed channel, and you don't have to pay rights for additional content to fill up these themed channel. The irony is that the most unique films on the themed channels are often low-budget, low-brow, overall poor quality (as in script, writing, ideas) movies. Kind of the same junk available on DishONLINE.

However, there are a few channels that truly come closer to airing good quality, unique content such as Starz Cinema (although there is still a fair amount of overlap) or HBO Comedy airing all those old comics stand up performances. But, in general, it really is a scam. However, one good thing about the scam is that it does offer more opportunities to catch a movie one may have missed, and it does provide the same content spread over many show times as opposed to one channel.

I don't recall tht at all. I do remember when they briefly said we would ge t it and then changed their mind on it. Like others have mentioned I am pretty sure that tehre is not actuallya separate charge for it. But I guess this is a case of dueling recollections.
 

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