Hdcp error when mirroring TVs

[bwexler]

I connected LR TV to HWS with 5 component cables. Connected office TV to same HWS with 25 foot HDMI cable. Everything worked fine until this morning when DW tried to view free prevue of HBO.
She saw HDCP message instead of movie. She yelled at me. I called Dish. I could temporarily fix the problem by disconnecting all cables then reconnecting component cables to LR TV. As soon as I reconnect HDMI to second TV error reoccurs.

Is there a real solution to this problem while still viewing both TVs and not adding a Joey?

 

[n0qcu]

That will happen if the HDMI connected TV is off.
Possible solutions would be:
Get a HDMI splitter and run HDMI to both TV's.
Get a component splitter and run component to both TV"s.
It will also work to just make sure the HDMI connected TV is turned ON.

 

[lucky86]

How old is the TV?

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[bwexler]

How old is the TV?

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Both TVs are about 7 years old and both have viewed all the pay channels including PPV since day one.

 

[KAB]

That will happen if the HDMI connected TV is off.
Possible solutions would be:
Get a HDMI splitter and run HDMI to both TV's.
Get a component splitter and run component to both TV"s.
It will also work to just make sure the HDMI connected TV is turned ON.

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[tobsandmags]

That will happen if the HDMI connected TV is off.
Possible solutions would be:
Get a HDMI splitter and run HDMI to both TV's.
Get a component splitter and run component to both TV"s.
It will also work to just make sure the HDMI connected TV is turned ON.

So I have this problem on my new Hopper installation. I'm using an RF mod to mirror from a Joey to one TV and a 2nd RF mod to mirror from the Hopper to another TV. Without having the HDMI-connected TV on, is there any way to mirror using the existing coax and not get this error?


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[harshness]

Without having the HDMI-connected TV on, is there any way to mirror using the existing coax and not get this error?

The easy way to fix this (though it may not be a permanent fix) is to not use HDMI with a TV that doesn't always respond to HDCP checks.

 

[tobsandmags]

The easy way to fix this (though it may not be a permanent fix) is to not use HDMI with a TV that doesn't always respond to HDCP checks.

That's kind of my core problem. When the HDMI-connected TV is on, everything works great. When it is off, I get this error on the RF-mod/coax-connected TV's.


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[harshness]

That's kind of my core problem.

That's why I offered the solution I did.

As far as I know, if there aren't any HDMI connected devices, the analog outputs will remain live.

It seems counter-intuitive to me that they wouldn't disable them on all flagged content, but they currently aren't so you can take advantage.

 

[tobsandmags]

Apologies, I'm not tracking how your suggestion would work. I have HDMI to 1 TV. It never has the HDCP error. I have analog to a 2nd TV via RF-mod/coax. That 2nd TV has the HDCP error if TV 1 is not turned on. Do you think I should unplug the HDMI and use analog for both? Thx


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[n0qcu]

Apologies, I'm not tracking how your suggestion would work. I have HDMI to 1 TV. It never has the HDCP error. I have analog to a 2nd TV via RF-mod/coax. That 2nd TV has the HDCP error if TV 1 is not turned on. Do you think I should unplug the HDMI and use analog for both? Thx


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Correct unplug the HDMI and use component for the HD connection and your HDCP error will go away.

 

[tobsandmags]

Interesting. I will try that when I get home. Will that work on a Joey? I seem to recall that only having composite.


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[JSheridan]

Interesting. I will try that when I get home. Will that work on a Joey? I seem to recall that only having composite.


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Correct, Joey's do not have component outputs.

 

[tobsandmags]

Just curious.....would a component-to-HDMI converter also work? I only have an HDMI cable running up thru the wall to the TV.


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[n0qcu]

I haven't used one but it should since you would be using the component connection on the Hopper.

 

[Bobby]

Just curious.....would a component-to-HDMI converter also work? I only have an HDMI cable running up thru the wall to the TV.


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If you use component cabling you will also need to bring red and white audio cabling to the TV as well. I don't know if a component to HDMI converter allows for an audio attachment as well....

 

[Bobby]

I see that audio is included....

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[Miner]

Apologies, I'm not tracking how your suggestion would work. I have HDMI to 1 TV. It never has the HDCP error. I have analog to a 2nd TV via RF-mod/coax. That 2nd TV has the HDCP error if TV 1 is not turned on. Do you think I should unplug the HDMI and use analog for both? Thx


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Is your tv a samsung dlp? I have the same problem, although it seems to come and go and I haven't had it recently. I'm wondering if newer software on the hopper has changed the check of HDCP?

 

[tobsandmags]

A couple of the TV's are Samsung. I worked around the problem on my Hopper (which is connected to a Sony receiver & TV) by using the component / optical audio outputs (no HDMI cable). The problem went right away.

The wireless Joey never has the problem being plugged into one of the Samsung TV's.

The wired Joey had the problem when connected to a Vizio TV. I unplugged the HDMI from the Vizio and plugged it back in and the problem went away (at least for now).

What a crazy-making error. We also have this problem from time to time on our Apple TV's. Whoever "invented" HDCP should be kicked in the butt by everyone who's been troubled by this problem.


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[ChadT41]

A couple of the TV's are Samsung. I worked around the problem on my Hopper (which is connected to a Sony receiver & TV) by using the component / optical audio outputs (no HDMI cable). The problem went right away.

The wireless Joey never has the problem being plugged into one of the Samsung TV's.

The wired Joey had the problem when connected to a Vizio TV. I unplugged the HDMI from the Vizio and plugged it back in and the problem went away (at least for now).

What a crazy-making error. We also have this problem from time to time on our Apple TV's. Whoever "invented" HDCP should be kicked in the butt by everyone who's been troubled by this problem.


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Beleive Intel was behind that one. I do agree. It was a great idea, terrible execution.