Is it possible to swap a 722k for a 722?

samijubal

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I'm getting sick of my glitchy 722k and am thinking of having Dish swap receivers. I do a lot of DVD burning and would like the s-video out the 722 has. Will Dish swap a 722k for a 722?
 

Sat Monkey

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Personaly I'd change dvd burners to one that has RGB inputs.
But if the 722k you have now bugs you that much, I'd call Dish and talk to the retention/customer loyalty dept. and tell what you want just not why.

OR

Do the external hhd option and learn how to use linux.

Mike
 

samijubal

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I only use the old DVD recorders that were actually made by Toshiba, once you've used one there just isn't anything else. Amazing machines, nothing else ever came close and never will. Another recorder isn't an option. None of them have component inputs. I have an EXH but from what I've read there's no way to burn HD material from that to DVD besides a standalone recorder.

What's wrong with telling why?
 

Laddyboy

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I only use the old DVD recorders that were actually made by Toshiba, once you've used one there just isn't anything else. Amazing machines, nothing else ever came close and never will. Another recorder isn't an option. None of them have component inputs. I have an EXH but from what I've read there's no way to burn HD material from that to DVD besides a standalone recorder.

What's wrong with telling why?

Get a Hauppauge 1212 for your PC and you can copy and burn your HD recordings in HD via component.
 

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What's wrong with telling why?

Content providers don't want copies made, even when legally done. Just not worth opening that can of worms with a CSR, who may decide you are engaging in criminal activity. All you need to say is you're having so many problems with the K model, you don't trust it anymore and want the tried and true standard ViP722.

I burn very few DVDs. I'd love to hear more about what makes those Toshibas so good, though.
 

samijubal

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I burn very few DVDs. I'd love to hear more about what makes those Toshibas so good, though.

They have unparalleled picture quality, stunning, nothing else compares. They also have the most options for editing, playback, recording, menus of any recorder ever made, the HDD models anyway. Once you've used one there just isn't anything else. Unfortunately, Toshiba stopped making recorders in 2006, they are Funai junk now. Fortunately, they can still be found on ebay.



What's inferior about the 722?


My 722k has to be reset every few days because the guide doesn't work right, it won't recognize the EXH or it just locks up. It constantly doesn't recognize the EX HDD, I have to turn the HDD dock on/off several times to get it to find the drive. The guide gets so slow to respond it's unusable. The DVR thinks there's timer conflicts when there isn't any other timers anywhere near the one I'm trying to make. The remote sensor is pathetic, I have to press keys 3 or 4 times to get it to work. I'd guess that one is probably just a crappy remote sensor.

Maybe all these receivers are like this, I don't know.
 
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PrairieDog

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what appears to be wrong with your receiver? I would address that before I would switch to a lesser unit.
You have fallen victim to the "new model is better" syndrome. As I understand it, the 722 is far superior. The 722k was conceived at Dish as a cheaper to manufacture unit (hence no built in OTA tuner, e.g.). It was to save them money, not give you a better DVR.
 

samijubal

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I was hoping that DVD recordings would come out better with the 722 and s-video. I get a faint white bar moving up through the screen in dark scenes on recordings. I'm using a short Monster composite cable and the recorder is as far away from the DN receiver as the 3' cable allows. It has to be the receiver. I don't see the bar when watching in HD, just on recordings. It must be either the downconversion or the composite out or a combination of both.
 

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They have unparalleled picture quality, stunning, nothing else compares. They also have the most options for editing, playback, recording, menus of any recorder ever made, the HDD models anyway. Once you've used one there just isn't anything else. Unfortunately, Toshiba stopped making recorders in 2006, they are Funai junk now. Fortunately, they can still be found on ebay.



What's inferior about the 722?


My 722k has to be reset every few days because the guide doesn't work right, it won't recognize the EXH or it just locks up. It constantly doesn't recognize the EX HDD, I have to turn the HDD dock on/off several times to get it to find the drive. The guide gets so slow to respond it's unusable. The DVR thinks there's timer conflicts when there isn't any other timers anywhere near the one I'm trying to make. The remote sensor is pathetic, I have to press keys 3 or 4 times to get it to work. I'd guess that one is probably just a crappy remote sensor.

Maybe all these receivers are like this, I don't know.

What is your Toshiba DVD Recorder model? I was all set to get the first generation of the DVD/HDD (DVR) Toshiba recorders (2002?) for the same reason as you've stated: the options and many settings were superb. I had considered the Panasonic, but the Toshiba had better features.

However, it was soon reported that the HDD on that first generation Toshiba DVD/HDD recorder was failing and it was so widespread (and rather soon after purchase) that Toshiba had to issue a statement informing all owners of the recorder to immediately transfer all recordings off the HDD to DVD and Toshiba offered no HDD replacement option. It was a big blow to my dreams. So, I had no choice but to go to my #2 preference of Panasonic HDD/DVD recorder. Stupid Toshiba! This was the superb, star, bells and whistles model and the HDD was crap! Toshiba never recovered from that HDD fiasco as Panasonic became the accidental "reliable" recorder and Panasonic dominated the DVD recorder business for many years manufacturing a plethora of models that were used in pro-sumer and professional settings. I never wanted to take the risk that Toshiba would get it right with the HDD on subsequent models and had to continue to invest in Panasonics. My old T3040's (same generation of the troubled Toshiba about 2002) HDD is still pumping along and it has been brutally used over the years.

I think it was the Toshiba RX models that were the beauties, no? I understand you situation and desires completely. I have 3 different models of Panny DVD recorders and I must say that while they don't have the features of the Toshiba, they are quite durable as I have used them heavily for years.
 
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samijubal

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HDDs on the Toshibas can be easily replaced. The first gen Toshiba, XS32, supposedly had a black level problem, I have one on the way so I'll see. Some people say they see it and some say they don't. It was fixed in the second gen HDD recorders. The early Panasonics had the same problem big time, which was fixed in later recorders. I've got a first gen Panasonic and had a second gen, I can't even watch the recordings from them after switching to Toshiba.

The Panasonics had good reliability but notoriously poor encoding. The Toshibas had Stellar PQ but the burners weren't very reliable. I guess in the end everything is a trade off. You can get good reliability or good PQ and lots of options. I just can't use anything else after using Toshiba. Some of the Toshibas used a PC type burner that could be easily replaced, though some functions were lost, others used a proprietary burner that had to be replaced with the original expensive burner. It was the XS recorders. They also made a KX50 which had all the options of the XS recorders but didn't do RW discs.

I mostly use a D-R4 non HDD Toshiba. Since I do my editing on a PC the only advantages of a HDD are record speed bitsetting, the Toshibas can be set in .2 increments, 4.6, 4.8, etc. and less burn time to do a disc. The R4 has the same PQ without some of the options like record speed bit setting. It does have the flexible recording between XP and SP though. With what a HDD Toshiba sells for I can get a few D-R4s. I've sold off my HDD Toshibas but am always watching for a deal on another one. I picked one up locally for $40 and the one I bought on ebay recently was $40 with a JVC S-VHS.
 

whatchel1

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only 1 thing

They have unparalleled picture quality, stunning, nothing else compares. They also have the most options for editing, playback, recording, menus of any recorder ever made, the HDD models anyway. Once you've used one there just isn't anything else. Unfortunately, Toshiba stopped making recorders in 2006, they are Funai junk now. Fortunately, they can still be found on ebay.



What's inferior about the 722?


My 722k has to be reset every few days because the guide doesn't work right, it won't recognize the EXH or it just locks up. It constantly doesn't recognize the EX HDD, I have to turn the HDD dock on/off several times to get it to find the drive. The guide gets so slow to respond it's unusable. The DVR thinks there's timer conflicts when there isn't any other timers anywhere near the one I'm trying to make. The remote sensor is pathetic, I have to press keys 3 or 4 times to get it to work. I'd guess that one is probably just a crappy remote sensor.

Maybe all these receivers are like this, I don't know.

There is only 1 thing that you have mentioned that mine does and that is the hard press to get the remotes to respond. Sounds like you have a BAD 722k. Keep the OTA module & have E* replace the DVR after you move everything over to the ext HDD. The time that it didn't see my HDD was when i had moved some stuff around and the cable was intermittent, fixed that. It really sounds like you have bad problems w/ that unit. :eek:
 

samijubal

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I figured the IR sensor was just cheap. If I owned the receiver I'd replace it. I don't have an OTA module. I don't record anything OTA so I don't need one.

Does anyone here ever do manual DVR timers? Sometimes I'll do a manual timer so I can get multiple episodes of a series without timer conflicts. I always start 2 minutes early and end 2 minutes late. When I look at the guide it always shows the timer missing the first episode and going one episode past the end. Is that just a glitch in the guide/receiver or is it just my receiver?
 
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