Just curious, is “moving” legal? (1 Viewer)

chainblu

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Don’t forget most of dish’s locals are on spot beams. So moving is not really not going to give you the stations you want unless you are within that spot beam.
Exactly. Not counting the few markets that are CONUS, you may or may not be able to receive your neighboring DMA's spot beam and that may even depend on what arc you're on. Personally, I wouldn't be too worried about Charlie's jack-booted thugs kicking down your door and confiscating equipment.
 

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Exactly. Not counting the few markets that are CONUS, you may or may not be able to receive your neighboring DMA's spot beam and that may even depend on what arc you're on. Personally, I wouldn't be too worried about Charlie's jack-booted thugs kicking down your door and confiscating equipment.
Most/all of the spot beams include multiple DMA's. Spot beam 10 on the Dish eastern arc 61.5 satellite covers half of Florida, half of Georgia, and almost half of Alabama for example, carrying four DMA's.
 
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No..not at all..locals cost the same price everywhere

OTA was supposed to be free with an antenna. Then..thru fraud and deception..with the help of congress..evil greedy station owners extorted money from cable and satellite providers...back in the day ...NY locals were easily available on satellite...then they wanted proof an atenna didn't work and so forth...really no crime at all in moving unless dish makes it one by suspending service
Another example ...
HD was FREE when I put my antenna up and when it was on the Sats originally, then the Companies decided that they could steal more money from the subscribers and get $10 from each for the right to see those same signals that were free when they Wanted you to see them (to get HD popular) back in the day.

They STILL charge you for HD (even though they SAY they don't) its just tucked into other portions of your bill.
 
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If I have an OTA antenna capable of receiving more than one DMA , am I violating any laws, rules, or even a TOS? The FCC says providers can't supply out of market signals except in limited circumstances, but they do not say I can't receive those out of market signals.
That brings up a whole other discussion ... Significantly Viewed ... which I have never understood, seeing Some people are allowed to get them while others aren't ...

Personally, I think seeing they are making you (the sub) pay for what is Free to start with, OTA .. (I have an antenna up and can receive them, don't need thier Locals service ... (I'm with D* btw) ...
Once your paying for the Locals you should get ALL the Locals in your SPOTBEAM.
You've paid for them.

Back in the day, IF they would allow you to get whats on your Spotbeam, I could get at least 7 markets across my area. Maybe a few more. Spanning across approx 250 miles.
 
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The issue is between Dish and the Broadcasters and their local stations. Dishes promises to only deliver Locals and the associated advertising to people within the spot DMA to get the permission to rebroadcast the signals. Without such agreement, everyone would move to places not at home and the advertising revenues to the local stations would drop and not cover the fees the local stations pay the broadcast channels.

Failure on Dish's part to audit movers when the DMA rules came in is what pulled Dish's to offer DNS. Dish probably wouldn't care if it wasn't having to deal with the broadcast networks.
What percentage actually WATCH thier Local or otherwise Ads this day and age anyways ...
 

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A sad side effect of people skipping commercials on a DVR
There are a lot of factors that go into national network and local station advertising rates, but commercial skipping is not one of them:

 

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There are a lot of factors that go into national network and local station advertising rates, but commercial skipping is not one of them:

Why would advertisers buy time if they knew that viewers would skip them...time to use a little common sense...especially when other forms of advertiding are unskippable
 
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Why would advertisers buy time if they knew that viewers would skip them...time to use a little common sense...especially when other forms of advertiding are unskippable
Because there's no reliable way of determining how many people are actually watching a given commercial. The ratings people can pole a selection of people and extrapolate probabilities, but cannot accurately count "eyeballs". Even if an ad is "unskippable", they can't tell how many people actually watch it versus bathroom or snack runs.
 
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Because there's no reliable way of determining how many people are actually watching a given commercial. The ratings people can pole a selection of people and extrapolate probabilities, but cannot accurately count "eyeballs". Even if an ad is "unskippable", they can't tell how many people actually watch it versus bathroom or snack runs.
Really?... do you remember all the disputes that dish had when they rolled out the auto commercial skip feature for the hopper...and how they were forced to cripple it for atleast 7 days?...
 

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Really?... do you remember all the disputes that dish had when they rolled out the auto commercial skip feature for the hopper...and how they were forced to cripple it for atleast 7 days?...
The disputes were over automating ad skipping instead of leaving it as a viewer option on recorded programming. Again, there is no way to accurately determine how many people skip ads on recorded programming any more than there is any way to determine how many people actually watch ads on live programming.
 
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The disputes were over automating ad skipping instead of leaving it as a viewer option on recorded programming. Again, there is no way to accurately determine how many people skip ads on recorded programming any more than there is any way to determine how many people actually watch ads on live programming.
Really?... you do know the hopper is connected to the internet...Dish collects and sells viewing info....same thing with most cable tv boxes...thats why nielson no longer sends diaries...they just collect info from set top boxes connected to the internet
 
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Rather than asking if something is legal, asking if an action is listed as illegal or punishable by law in a given code should be simpler.

Law will focus on mentioning illegal actions punishable, rather than list legal actions.

The list for legal actions would be much longer than the one for illegal actions, and in case it isn't then we're in deep trouble.

Is it legal to take a stroll in the park? Very generic, ambigous...I doubt that any code would list such action.

Is it illegal to take a stroll in the park while wearing no clothes at all? Simpler question and specific, I wouldn't be surprised if listed in codes and regulations.

Yes and No for first and second makes sense, if No for first question, then it's not a good place to be living in, and one should "move" to another place... hopefully ....legally.
 

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Rather than asking if something is legal, asking if an action is listed as illegal or punishable by law in a given code should be simpler.

Law will focus on mentioning illegal actions punishable, rather than list legal actions.

The list for legal actions would be much longer than the one for illegal actions, and in case it isn't then we're in deep trouble.

Is it legal to take a stroll in the park? Very generic, ambigous...I doubt that any code would list such action.

Is it illegal to take a stroll in the park while wearing no clothes at all? Simpler question and specific, I wouldn't be surprised if listed in codes and regulations.

Yes and No for first and second makes sense, if No for first question, then it's not a good place to be living in, and one should "move" to another place... hopefully ....legally.
In America

Anything that is not specifically outlawed is legal..in other words government does not ALLOW you to do anything..they can only DISALLOW or forbid

In Europe its the other way around
 

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Really?... you do know the hopper is connected to the internet...Dish collects and sells viewing info....same thing with most cable tv boxes...thats why nielson no longer sends diaries...they just collect info from set top boxes connected to the internet
SOME Hoppers are connected to the Internet, not all of them... And STB's do not come into play for the thousands of people viewing their locals OTA.
 

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SOME Hoppers are connected to the Internet, not all of them... And STB's do not come into play for the thousands of people viewing their locals OTA.
If you want to use the VOD features..most do...if they record their ota locals on a hopper..guess what..they get tracked
 

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If you want to use the VOD features..most do...if they record their ota locals on a hopper..guess what..they get tracked
You're presuming that all Dish subscribers have Hoppers and/or OTA adapters? You do know that Dish subscribers are not the entire TV market, don't you? And what does commercial skipping have to do with "moving" anyway? I can skip commercials no matter what market I'm in and no matter how I''m receiving that market. I expect ratings services take some factor into account for presumed viewer skipping, but in any event, retransmission rate demands from locals have risen much faster than advertising rates, making them the major source of income for most stations.
 
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