lowest angle for birds

[RidgeRunner]

I a currently compiling the equipment for KU-band FTA viewing, I have a 4 ft andrews dish with a Norsat 4707A if you would like a copy of the URL I can PM it to you. My question is can I use one of those Stab motors with this dish, also am I using the correct LNB for what I would like to do. I would like to be able to view digital and analog and also view the horizontal and verticle transponders.

My main question of this thread is that I live in new england I have a fairly wooded lot, I am almost positive I will not be able to pick everything up in the belt, but does anyone know the lowest angle I would pick a sat up at?

other than that if I can get some answers to these questions I will be all set to purchase a receiver!

 

[PSB]

Hello and Welcome to the SatelliteGuys.US FTA forum


Depends of the height of the trees and how high up you put your dish! Use this tool to work out if you will clear the trees, or better still get a site survey tool and take the guess work out of it.

http://www.bjup.com/services/bjhomesat/tech_support/obstacle.html

http://www.dmsiusa.com/site_survey.htm

Give us your zip code and we will give you all the angles for satellites from your area.

Your LNBF will work for both digital and analog!

 

[RidgeRunner]

tools

I do have an inclinometer, my zip code is 04071...Thanks for your help, and any other info you can offer on the other items I mentioned!

 

[PSB]

Raymond, ME 04071
Latitude 43° 55.314'N Longitude 70° 26.988'W

Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m) El Skew
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*** All Satellites 61W - 160W ***

EchoStar 3 61.5W 167.2 184.3 38.6 -9.2
Rainbow 1 61.5W 167.2 184.3 38.6 -9.2
Brasilsat A2 (incl. 5.8 deg) 63.0W 169.3 186.4 38.8 -7.7
Brasilsat B2 65.0W 172.2 189.3 39.1 -5.6
Brasilsat B1 70.0W 179.4 196.5 39.4 -0.5
Nahuel 1 71.8W 181.9 199.0 39.3 1.4
AMC 6 72.0W 182.2 199.3 39.3 1.6
Galaxy 12 74.0W 185.1 202.2 39.2 3.7
SBS 6 74.0W 185.1 202.2 39.2 3.7
GOES 12 75.0W 186.5 203.6 39.2 4.7
AMC 5 79.0W 192.2 209.3 38.6 8.8
DirecTV 3 81.8W 196.1 213.2 38.1 11.5
Nimiq 2 82.0W 196.4 213.5 38.0 11.7
Brasilsat B3 84.0W 199.2 216.3 37.6 13.7
XM Roll 85.0W 200.5 217.6 37.3 14.6
AMC 9 85.0W 200.5 217.6 37.3 14.6
AMC 3 87.0W 203.2 220.3 36.7 16.5
Galaxy 9 91.0W 208.4 225.5 35.3 20.0
Galaxy 11 91.0W 208.4 225.5 35.3 20.0
Nimiq 1 91.0W 208.4 225.5 35.3 20.0
Brasilsat B4 92.0W 209.7 226.8 34.9 20.9
Telstar 6 93.0W 210.9 228.0 34.5 21.7
Galaxy 8I (incl. 1.0 deg) 95.0W 213.4 230.5 33.7 23.3
Galaxy 3C 95.0W 213.4 230.5 33.7 23.3
Telstar 5 97.0W 215.8 232.9 32.8 24.9
Inmarsat 2 f2 (incl. 1.7 deg) 98.0W 216.9 234.0 32.3 25.7
Galaxy 4R 99.0W 218.1 235.2 31.9 26.4
DirecTV 2 100.8W 220.2 237.3 31.0 27.7
DirecTV 1R 100.8W 220.2 237.3 31.0 27.7
AMC 4 101.0W 220.4 237.5 30.9 27.8
DirecTV 1 101.0W 220.4 237.5 30.9 27.8
AMSC 1 101.1W 220.5 237.6 30.8 27.9
DirecTV 4S 101.2W 220.6 237.7 30.8 28.0
AMC 1 103.0W 222.6 239.7 29.8 29.2
Solidaridad 1 (incl. 2.8 deg) 103.5W 223.2 240.3 29.6 29.5
AMC 2 105.0W 224.8 241.9 28.8 30.5
G-Star 3 (incl. 11.5 deg) 105.0W 224.8 241.9 28.8 30.5
G-Star 1 (incl. 6.0 deg) 105.0W 224.8 241.9 28.8 30.5
MSAT 1 106.5W 226.4 243.5 27.9 31.4
Anik F1 107.3W 227.2 244.3 27.5 31.9
Anik E1 109.2W 229.2 246.3 26.4 33.0
DirecTV 6 109.8W 229.8 246.9 26.0 33.4
EchoStar 6 110.0W 230.0 247.1 25.9 33.5
EchoStar 8 110.0W 230.0 247.1 25.9 33.5
Anik E2R 111.1W 231.1 248.2 25.3 34.1
Solidaridad 2 113.0W 232.9 250.0 24.1 35.1
Morelos 2 (incl. 4.4 deg) 114.9W 234.7 251.8 22.9 36.0
XM Rock 115.0W 234.8 251.9 22.9 36.1
SatMex 5 116.8W 236.5 253.6 21.7 36.9
Anik E2 118.7W 238.2 255.3 20.5 37.8
DirecTV 5 119.0W 238.5 255.6 20.3 37.9
EchoStar 7 119.0W 238.5 255.6 20.3 37.9
EchoStar 5 119.0W 238.5 255.6 20.3 37.9
EchoStar 9/Telstar 13 121.0W 240.3 257.4 19.0 38.7
Galaxy 10R 123.0W 242.0 259.1 17.7 39.5
Galaxy 5 125.0W 243.7 260.8 16.3 40.2
Galaxy 12 125.0W 243.7 260.8 16.3 40.2
Galaxy 13 127.0W 245.4 262.5 15.0 40.9
Telstar 7 129.0W 247.0 264.1 13.6 41.5
Satcom C3 131.0W 248.6 265.7 12.2 42.1
Galaxy 1R 133.0W 250.2 267.3 10.8 42.7
Satcom C4 135.0W 251.7 268.8 9.4 43.2
GOES 10 135.5W 252.1 269.2 9.1 43.3
AMC 7 137.0W 253.3 270.4 8.0 43.6
AMC 8 139.0W 254.8 271.9 6.6 44.0
Inmarsat 2 f3 (incl. 1.9 deg) 142.0W 257.0 274.1 4.5 44.6
EchoStar 1 148.0W 261.3 278.4 0.2 45.4
EchoStar 2 148.0W 261.3 278.4 0.2 45.4
TDRS 9 (incl. 7.4 deg) 151.0W 263.4 280.5 -1.9 45.7
TDRS 10 (incl. 6.2 deg) 151.0W 263.4 280.5 -1.9 45.7
EchoStar 4 157.0W 267.6 284.7 -6.2 46.0

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Sounds like the 4 foot dish should work GREAT for KU satellite depending on the noise value
(db) of the LNBF you may want to replace that eventually.

 

[RidgeRunner]

Looks like 4.5 is the lowest angle, I would have to pretty much have no trees for quite a distance, but looks like there is still quite a bit I should be able to pick up! I guess the next question is finding a motor for this hog and making sure this LNB will do what I want it to do! Thanks for the quick reply

 

[PSB]

You will be very unlikely to pick up any useable satellite signals under around 10 degree's in elevation any way, even with a clear line of sight.

 

[spyder]

You will be very unlikely to pick up any useable satellite signals under around 10 degree's in elevation any way, even with a clear line of sight.

Not quite accurate

I can pick up T12 and Atlantic Bird 1 which are at 10° and 7° respectively for me with great signal strength. I've even had a partial lock on Atlantic Bird 2 which is at an elevation of 4.3° , but the neighbors trees just come into the signal.

 

[PSB]

Nice! I have never had any success under 10 deg. in elevation, to be honest most of the satellites between there and the horizon do not broadcast in my direction. Will not stop me trying : )

Maybe time to get out the upside down dish again!

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=25425

 

[Shawn95GT]

I was suprised that I was able to track 58w - 148 with my shot at LOS. 61.5 is 23.9° elevation. I'm not sure what 58w is but it has to be in the mid teens. The dish is about 30' off the back of my house:

 

[Rick in MD]

Pete, Does the upside down dish give you a lower viewing angle, allowing you to see those lower birds?

Thanks
Rick

 

[PSB]

Thats what the military and people in Alaska use, but of course you still need a clear line of sight......
Had another look tonight, I have a clear shot at satellites below 10 deg. but still no signals found!

 

[Rick in MD]

What size dish are you trying this with, I have a friend with a spare DirectTV dish, the same one that I am currently using on EchoStar 9 for my wifes German TV. I may be able to pick it up from him.

Rick

 

[PSB]

I have used a DirecPC and DirecTV dish with this method, both work. Of course the bigger the better for KU signals!

 

[Rick in MD]

My Mistake, DirectPC dish... Long day at work.. I may have to give it a try.

Thanks
Rick