need a little more signal

[jerryd]

Having "moved" to Chicago before Dish put the local HD's on spotbeams ,I am at the edge of the footprint for chicago. At times I am able to lock in transponder 9 on 129 which has chicago local Hds, the signal off my dish 1000 runs between 9 and 12, at signal level 11 it locks in the signal. If I replace the 1000 with 1000.2 will I gain the small signal strength I need to keep the signal strength above 11 or what is the largest size dish I can purchase ( I can only put one dish on my roof and need to receive 110, 119 and 129).

Thanks for any advice you can provide !

 

[peano]

The 1000.2 won't help much. Try a Dish 1000 Plus.

 

[Agonizing Fury]

The 1000+ would be a better option then the 1000 or 1000.2, but a wing dish (about 24" or so) with a standard dish 500 w/ DPPTwin LNB would probably be your best bet. Why do you say you can only have one dish? If it's an issue with an Home Owners Association of some kind, you should check out the FCCs "Over The Air Reception Devices" rules (FCC Fact Sheet on Placement of Antennas). Federal Law doesn't allow a limit on the number of dishes required to receive a quality signal, unless of course they are already being more leinient than required by allowing you to have it on your roof at all (If for example, you live in a multiple dwelling unit and the roof is not considered an exclusive use area, and you are lucky they are letting you have one at all). Good luck either way, and if you have a dual tuner, you may want to wait for the new 1000+ LNB that has a DPPlus LNB built in.

 

[jerryd]

Does anyone know where I can buy a Dish 1000 + ? Also does it come with the LNBS needed to pick up 110, 119 and 129 to use with a dual receiver ?
Thanks !!!

 

[peano]

Ebay. It comes with LNBs for 110, 119, 118 and 129.

And you will need a DPP44 switch if you want to run a single line to a dual tuner.

 

[Jim5506]

Just because the dish is larger, does not mean it will gather more signal, especially with multi-focus dishes,

Your best bet is to get a wing dish, either 24 or 30 inch single focus type and aim it at 129. A dish 500 might help some, but it is also a multi focus dish and is thusly slightly out of focus at the center of the dish (designed to offer the same signal level for two foci as the D300 does on one fical point).

 

[peano]

Well, I know from experience the 1000+ improves the 129 signal strength considerably over the 1000.2 In fact 119 and 110 are also improved.

 

[peano]

Well, I know from experience the 1000+ improves the 129 signal strength considerably over the 1000.2 and in fact 119 and 110 are also improved.

 

[MikeD-C05]

That's because a 1000+ sat dish is 36 " wide vs 30 " on a regular 1000.2 sat dish. The bigger the dish the stronger the signal. Thats why many were using a 24" and 30" side sat dish for the 129 sat when it was only the echostar 5 sat up there.

 

[digiblur]

Don't bother with swapping the entire dish you probably won't gain much on 129. Not sure why you can't put another dish but for a sure bet, cover the 129 LNB with foil, hook up a single orbital 24 inch or 30 inch wing dish for 129 and you'll be good to go.

 

[spec1alk]

Don't bother with swapping the entire dish you probably won't gain much on 129. Not sure why you can't put another dish but for a sure bet, cover the 129 LNB with foil, hook up a single orbital 24 inch or 30 inch wing dish for 129 and you'll be good to go.

He may have been told by his local covenants that he is only allowed a single dish.

JerryD, the following link asks the question "Can a restriction limit the number of antennas that may be installed at a particular location?" and answers with "The Commission’s rule covers the antennas necessary to receive service. Therefore, a local rule may not, for example, allow only one antenna if more than one antenna is necessary to receive the desired service."
FCC Fact Sheet on Placement of Antennas

Side question, what is good signal strength?

Is a signal strength of 35-40 on a ViP722 good for 129? I believe I have a 1000+ or a 1000.2 (don't remember, but I want to say it is the 1000.2) dish. I get about 45-55 on 110 & 119.

 

[digiblur]

He may have been told by his local covenants that he is only allowed a single dish.

JerryD, the following link asks the question "Can a restriction limit the number of antennas that may be installed at a particular location?" and answers with "The Commission’s rule covers the antennas necessary to receive service. Therefore, a local rule may not, for example, allow only one antenna if more than one antenna is necessary to receive the desired service."
FCC Fact Sheet on Placement of Antennas

Side question, what is good signal strength?

Is a signal strength of 35-40 on a ViP722 good for 129? I believe I have a 1000+ or a 1000.2 (don't remember, but I want to say it is the 1000.2) dish. I get about 45-55 on 110 & 119.

I'd tell them to shove it, they can't limit the number, just the size of the dish. I'd have 4 90CM dishes in my back yard if they gave me crap about my dishes.

You could also try a wing dish on 61.5 and dump the 129, as might be in that beam better for the locals. You need the PI channels only on 61.5 right?

 

[highdefjeff]

Well, I know from experience the 1000+ improves the 129 signal strength considerably over the 1000.2 In fact 119 and 110 are also improved.

Jim5506 is correct in what he said. Your results have been determined by many factors including installer skill and standard installation prerequisite for which the dish was designed.

Since the poster desires to grab a "neighboring signal" or the edge of a spot beam, a multi-sat dish would be great for getting the that one signal, though it would be at the expense of all the others.

 

[cruzmisl]

Maybe a dish 500 with an adapter for a single lnb. This way you'll get a larger dish and it will be in focus.

 

[peano]

Jim5506 is correct in what he said. Your results have been determined by many factors including installer skill and standard installation prerequisite for which the dish was designed.

Since I am the installer, I can assure you both the 1000.2 and 1000+ were peaked to the absolute maximum.

A bigger pan gives more signal. End of story. Yes a single focal point dish would be best such as the DS2077, but the OP says he can only have one.

The 1000+ will give him the BEST signal for 129 compared to any of the multi-sat dishes.

 

[jerryd]

Thanks for all ther advice, The resaon I can only have one dish on the roof is because my spouse doesn't want more then one on the roof (thinks the dishes are ugly)
I will bid and try to buy a 1000 + on e-bay

 

[rdinkel]

I added a 30" dish to my 1000+ in order to be better able to pull in my HD locals that do not adequately cover my area. Works better than 1000+ alone. I already had a DPP44 since I have four HD DVRs.

 

[cditty]

Don't bother with swapping the entire dish you probably won't gain much on 129. Not sure why you can't put another dish but for a sure bet, cover the 129 LNB with foil, hook up a single orbital 24 inch or 30 inch wing dish for 129 and you'll be good to go.

I am thinking of putting in a 24" dish to help me with rain fade a bit. I am curious, the 24" winegard dish I see on Sadoun says it supports a dish pro lnb. I have a DPP44 switch. Can I buy 3 dishes and 3 lnbs, hook them all to my dpp44 and still run dual tuner Vip722's off of one line from the DPP44 with a separator?

I am confused, as the lnb is DishPro and the switch DishProPlus.

 

[peano]

Yes. Dishpro LNBs are what you want for your DPP44.

 

[BobaBird]

I am confused, as the lnb is DishPro and the switch DishProPlus.

You are refreshingly not confused, only think you are .

There are no DPP LNBs. DishPro Plus is a switching method, an extension that takes 1 or 2 DishPro stacked signals, does band-translation and restacks them on a single output run to a Separator behind a dual-tuner receiver.

DP and DP Plus switches must be fed by DP LNBs. Often these are combined in one assembly as with the DPP Twin (2 DP LNBs + DPP switch) and Dish 1000.2/1000.4 (3 DP LNBs + DPP switch).