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jaj1701

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Hello,

I'm will be a new DISH customer VERY soon. I qualify as a NEW customer (confirmed earlier this evening).

Anyways, I love to ocassionally pick up different forgein and what have you packages. I'd live to get the most out of my "FREE INSTALL".

I am DMA #154: Rochester / Austin, MN & Mason City, IA

I was wondering, what I need to order at signup to have the most satellites being reachable at install. I don't care if there are two....even three dishes that need to be installed (though 2 is what I was thinking).

My equipment will be 6 211/211k with EHD. 3 leased, 3 owned

What is seen as the most likely ideal or must have satellite locations to have access to in the next couple years.

If given a choice, what are the 2 dishes I should shoot for getting? Either for what they get now, or what they may be able to get with new sat launches.

DISH 1000 PLUS and DISH 1000.4???? (is 1000 PLUS still availble) Grasping at straws a bit here.

Any SWITCHES I should insist upon or try to get??

*** Thank you SOOOOO much! I'm trying to research it myself, but I like to check with the EXPERTS! ***
 
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Mr Tony

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you would get a D1000+ and that is all that is needed for your market. It sees 4 slots
110-English programming
119-English programming
118.7-international programming
129-HD

Since Rochester/Austin/Albert Lea/Mason City DMA is not in HD and the SD channels are on 110 you would get a western arc dish. Eastern Arc is only used if the locals are in HD like they are in Minneapolis.

All new installs for International channels get the 118.7 dish
 

jaj1701

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you would get a D1000+ and that is all that is needed for your market. It sees 4 slots
110-English programming
119-English programming
118.7-international programming
129-HD

Since Rochester/Austin/Albert Lea/Mason City DMA is not in HD and the SD channels are on 110 you would get a western arc dish. Eastern Arc is only used if the locals are in HD like they are in Minneapolis.

All new installs for International channels get the 118.7 dish

You say "I would get"....do you mean to say I would get it IF I subscribe to a foreign channel package at the time of install....otherwise wouldn't I get a 1000.2?

Just checking. I will check into it myself, but do you have a suggestion for the cheapest package that get me that 1000+ instead of a 1000.2?

Is my assumption correct as well that the upgrade would be free if done at the time of hook up as a new subsciber?

Thanks again. It's appreciated.

Jason
 
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Lt Disher

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Questions about the 1000+ vs. the 1000.2

I have just a few questions about the 1000+ vs. the 1000.2.

1. Will the 1000+ have all of the most current technology available? Will it have the best LNB's and will it be able to be installed using only one cable from the dish to the receiver?

2. Since it is a bit larger will it get better signal strength on all the satellites?

3. Since it is larger are there stability issues? Would extra support bars be needed in the installation?
 
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I have just a few questions about the 1000+ vs. the 1000.2.

1. Will the 1000+ have all of the most current technology available? Will it have the best LNB's and will it be able to be installed using only one cable from the dish to the receiver?

2. Since it is a bit larger will it get better signal strength on all the satellites?

3. Since it is larger are there stability issues? Would extra support bars be needed in the installation?

1. No. Must use a DPP44 switch. 118.7 is FSS band.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
 

Mr Tony

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You say "I would get"....do you mean to say I would get it IF I subscribe to a foreign channel package at the time of install....otherwise wouldn't I get a 1000.2?
correct

Just checking. I will check into it myself, but do you have a suggestion for the cheapest package that get me that 1000+ instead of a 1000.2?
I dont know. I do not have any international channels

Is my assumption correct as well that the upgrade would be free if done at the time of hook up as a new subsciber?

If you have both HD & a International channel ordered at setup they will bring you a D1000+
 

Jim5506

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Unless you want international programming (most a-la-carte) you don't need the 1000+ and it would be definite overkill because all regular HD programming comes off the 110/129 satellites for western arc applications.

If you do subscribe to international programming and HD, you should automatically get the 1000+ with a DPP44 switch free with the install.

Figuring programming to get a certain dish is bass ackwards logic.
 

dangue

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Figuring programming to get a certain dish is bass ackwards logic.

Since the OP indicated enjoying international programming from time to time, it makes sense to initially sub to some sort of package that will get him 118.7 off the bat. He can always drop the package after install, but in the future if he wants to add a different international pack he won't have to have a tech out to swap out hardware.

IMHO, a $5 programming downgrade fee will be worth avoiding the hassel of a future install visit.
 

jaj1701

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Since the OP indicated enjoying international programming from time to time, it makes sense to initially sub to some sort of package that will get him 118.7 off the bat. He can always drop the package after install, but in the future if he wants to add a different international pack he won't have to have a tech out to swap out hardware.

IMHO, a $5 programming downgrade fee will be worth avoiding the hassel of a future install visit.

Thanks for having my back there! I thought it made sense too.

I was surprised that there really aren't any stations available to the public or in my market that aren't viewable with the 1000 + dish. Initially, I was really hoping for a two dish install (like a 1000+ and a 1000.4) so I would have access to as many satellites as possible so if there's a satellite failure or an HD situation like there is now, that I'd potentially already have access to the satellite that has those stations.
 

kb2vgp

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You may be able to order Euronews for $1.99/mo. which is on the 118.7 satellite requiring the 1000+ dish. I just searched the Dish Network website, and I couldn't find EuroNews available a-la-carte, but I have seen it in the past. You may have to request that channel specifically when ordering.
 

jaj1701

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You may be able to order Euronews for $1.99/mo. which is on the 118.7 satellite requiring the 1000+ dish. I just searched the Dish Network website, and I couldn't find EuroNews available a-la-carte, but I have seen it in the past. You may have to request that channel specifically when ordering.


WOW! That's awesome. I'll ask that question in chat with DISH in a bit. THANKS!!
 

scoobyxj

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The 1000+ dish will require 4 lines from the dish to a DPP44 switch. Then from there you will only need one line to each receiver. One other thing to keep in mind is that if you are planning on having 6 solo receivers (3 leased & 3 owned) you will also need to purchases an additional DPP44 switch to run the last 2 receivers.
 

Mr Tony

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Thanks for having my back there! I thought it made sense too.

I was surprised that there really aren't any stations available to the public or in my market that aren't viewable with the 1000 + dish. Initially, I was really hoping for a two dish install (like a 1000+ and a 1000.4) so I would have access to as many satellites as possible so if there's a satellite failure or an HD situation like there is now, that I'd potentially already have access to the satellite that has those stations.

you wouldnt get both of those dishes. The "best" scenerio is here in Minneapolis (or any market with locals on EA). New customers with a Int'l get a 1000.4 (Eastern Arc) dish and a D500+ with the connection for 118.7 only used. IIRC they dont even put the 110 LNB on the D500+

so here in Mpls its a EA and a partial D500+ dish (partial as in 119/118.7 only)
 

jaj1701

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you wouldnt get both of those dishes. The "best" scenerio is here in Minneapolis (or any market with locals on EA). New customers with a Int'l get a 1000.4 (Eastern Arc) dish and a D500+ with the connection for 118.7 only used. IIRC they dont even put the 110 LNB on the D500+

so here in Mpls its a EA and a partial D500+ dish (partial as in 119/118.7 only)

I COMPLETELY understand. Yeah, after looking at what each sat had and was duplicated on others, I did see that the Minneapolis scenario would have been great!

I am playing with paying the installer to install another dish I provide (probably a 1000.4 if I was going to). That would open up the possibility to "move" to Minneapolis as well.

As the DPP64 appears to have been vapor ware (from what I've read anyways), I would assume that I could only have 4 LNBs hooked up at one time. I realize that at this time, there would be no need to see more then 4 either. But I could easily swap out one lnb for another should a situation arise (like the current new HDs n/a), right?

I may buy my extra 211's from Dish so they have to provide the extra switch and do any more runs I may want them to do.

Can you tell I don't want to mess with anything on my roof in the future! :)

Thanks again for your help!

Jason
 

Mr Tony

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I am playing with paying the installer to install another dish I provide (probably a 1000.4 if I was going to). That would open up the possibility to "move" to Minneapolis as well.
Minneapolis HD is on 129 also so if they installed a D1000+ you can always move to Mpls and be covered already

As the DPP64 appears to have been vapor ware (from what I've read anyways), I would assume that I could only have 4 LNBs hooked up at one time. I realize that at this time, there would be no need to see more then 4 either. But I could easily swap out one lnb for another should a situation arise (like the current new HDs n/a), right?
technically you can get 5 sats if you use a DPP44+ switch. You would put a DP21 switch on each output of the 44 to get 5 sats. Int'l installs that are not EA get a DPP44+ switch. You can feasibly run 8 receivers (4 dual tuner) off the 44 switch

Can you tell I don't want to mess with anything on my roof in the future! :)

why? That seems to be the best part...oh wait thats the FTA guy kicking in on me ;)
 

jaj1701

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(1)Minneapolis HD is on 129 also so if they installed a D1000+ you can always move to Mpls and be covered already


(2)technically you can get 5 sats if you use a DPP44+ switch. You would put a DP21 switch on each output of the 44 to get 5 sats. Int'l installs that are not EA get a DPP44+ switch. You can feasibly run 8 receivers (4 dual tuner) off the 44 switch



(3)why? That seems to be the best part...oh wait thats the FTA guy kicking in on me ;)

1. Very true

2. Oh yeah....very good point. And DP21's aren't expensive either. Is there a limit to how many sats current receivers can see??

3. I already have a FTA PC tuner I bought a couple of years ago. That is my next project for the summer. Screwing with dishes to get stuff for free = FUN. Screwing with DISH network dishes that I'm paying good money for = NOT FUN.

I currently have an old DirecTV dish, an old DISH 500 dish (which I think has a bad LNB), a VOOM dish (I miss VOOM!), and a larger dish I had used with DirecTV. They are mounted on universal mounts that means I never have to screw into my roof, even if I have to change masts (except for maybe support arms). So, I will have 4 dishes on my roof. Whatever locations aren't for dish will be for FTA. :) Gee, I wonder if I should ask him if he'll point the larger dish and the voom dish for me for FTA while he's up there. hmmmmmmm.....more to ponder.
 

Mr Tony

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2. Oh yeah....very good point. And DP21's aren't expensive either. Is there a limit to how many sats current receivers can see??
5 max

I currently have an old DirecTV dish, an old DISH 500 dish (which I think has a bad LNB), a VOOM dish (I miss VOOM!), and a larger dish I had used with DirecTV. They are mounted on universal mounts that means I never have to screw into my roof, even if I have to change masts (except for maybe support arms). So, I will have 4 dishes on my roof. Whatever locations aren't for dish will be for FTA. :) Gee, I wonder if I should ask him if he'll point the larger dish and the voom dish for me for FTA while he's up there. hmmmmmmm.....more to ponder.
you wont get really anything for free on those smaller dishes for FTA. Only unencrypted channel on Dish is Dish 101. Use to also be Nasa, Angel One and Ion but those got scrambled recently. Need a 30"-36" dish for free to air
 

jaj1701

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Rochester, MN DMA #153
5 max


you wont get really anything for free on those smaller dishes for FTA. Only unencrypted channel on Dish is Dish 101. Use to also be Nasa, Angel One and Ion but those got scrambled recently. Need a 30"-36" dish for free to air

The VOOM dish I have was the largest they offered, but I don't remember the size, I want to say somewhere between 26-30. That other dish I have that I was using for directv (wasn't their dish) was a round 30". Yeah, I know the old 18" ones are useless. Thanks!

The 101 isn't scrambled, eh? hmmm My fiance would have made me do anything to get that if they still had Passions.

Well, I think I know my plan of attack. Time to find the cheapest international package (or ala carte if available).

Thanks again Iceberg!
 
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