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  1. danristheman

    danristheman SatelliteGuys Pro

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    Take your time you will have fun with this hobby. 95w has radio channels from stores they are weird to listen loud so neighbors think they are at a gas station. It took me about an hour to get my first satellite SES 1. I got 3 channels pentagon channel was the favorite channel. Good job keep up the good work.
     
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    admarvelous Topic Starter SatelliteGuys Family

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    Lol yea they are loud and weird
     
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    admarvelous Topic Starter SatelliteGuys Family

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    It might take a minute to find the sats but its kinda kool when u do just wish now I would have gotten my dish in the summertime
     
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    admarvelous Topic Starter SatelliteGuys Family

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    KE4EST I have a question b4 I start searching for other Sats for Galaxy 97W for example the frequency is 12152 transponder 20000. My question is this Is 20000 the base transponder like when I so a blind scan I noticed it start scanning from 30000 and went down from there. So when I start scanning for other sats should I be looking for a base transponder number is that how it works
     
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    I guess by "scanning" you mean: Your outside moving the dish around hunting for a new satellite.
    What you need to do is look on Lynsat or sathint and find a frequency. Then ask here to see if it is current. Because, what you need to make sure of every time you try for a new bird is; that you have a good known working transponder to work with.

    disclaimer: The below assumes a standard LNBF with a LO of 10750. Also receivers will vary on how it performs blind scans.


    The 20000 is the symbol rate the MUX is using for that transponder. These numbers will vary.
    When you do a blind scan, most will either start at 11700MHz and go to 12200MHz. The symbol rate for the MUX is not the same as the frequency.
    Google can be your friend on how all this works. If you are entering a transponder manually you will need to know the Frequency, the Polarity, and the Symbol Rate.
    Once you lock onto a signal from a manual entry, then you can perform a blind scan.
    So let's take 97W and the 12152 H 20000 for example.
    Here you entered it manually and found the satellite. Then when you perform your blind scan it will scan starting at 11700MHz then 11701, 11702,......12198, 12199, 12200MHz.
    It will scan 11700-12200 H(Horizontal Polarity) then it will scan 11700-12200 V(Vert. pol.)
    When it detects a signal on a frequency, say 12152 on H, it will scan through the range of Symbol rates looking for a match.
    The receiver has no idea what is there, nor does it care where the dish is aimed as long as it is on a satellite. It will just BLINDLY go looking.
    We humans organize it into 95W, 97W, 99W, etc, so that we can keep straight, what is what. In other words you could go in your receiver and select 123W BUT your dish is actually aimed at 97W. Do a blind scan and it will populate the channels from 97W. Even though it is labeled in the receiver 123W it has no idea what bird it is really on. This would work fine and you could watch TV just fine, except it would start getting really confusing, and fast. :)
    Just take your time and read, read, read, read, and read some more. Search SatelliteGuys here there are several threads that will explain things. Then experiment with your equipment to your hearts content. This is the only way to learn it. Eventually things will start falling into place, you will start having A HA! moments, and OHHH I GET IT NOW moments. ;)

    It is a hobby, have fun. If you start getting frustrated by something walk away from it for a few, when you come back with a fresh mind, it will jump out at you. ;)
     
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    Ok kool thx for the info cause I do see different numbers popping up while the reciever is blind scanning like 22000 23000 ECT ECT that's why I thought you needed a base number so now I know when I look online for a sat to type the info in as it appears on lygnsat
     
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    Ya I remember Pentagon channel when I started 10 or so years ago. Then took a break and came back recently. What ever happen to that channel?
     
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    Went to IPTV to save money.
     
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    So 5 digit frequency is ku and 4 digit is C band which I'm guessing is impossible to pick up with a 30 inch dish
     
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    Yes 5 digit frequency is Ku and 4 digit is C band. I wouldn't try with a 30" dish, because I have tried it with a 36" dish and barely got a few channels across the arc.

    Sent from my LG-M153 using the SatelliteGuys app!
     
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    Its very hard to do with a small dish. Wide angle, plus size plays into the factor. I have on a 4 foot dish.
     
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    admarvelous Topic Starter SatelliteGuys Family

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    Ok looking through sats I'm curious I know about the Horizontal and vertical frequencies but what are the L and R frequencies
     
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    Those are for the Circular Polarized birds. In NA that is mostly the pay TV birds, like DISH, DirecTV, Bell, etc. L and R stand for Left and Right Hand Polarization.
     
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    admarvelous Topic Starter SatelliteGuys Family

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    Oh ok thx I was wondering cause I'm trying to reaim the dish now that I done found a sat I'm ready to find another
     
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    He's got the fever... :D:thumbup
     
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    Although I should try finding the Vertical signals in 97 W
    Ok how do I find the Vertical frequencies or how do I set the lnb for vertical frequencies
     
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    admarvelous Topic Starter SatelliteGuys Family

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    Plus I was wondering on my sat reciever box all the preprogrammed sats are East direction are they actually East or are the Sats East or West depending on your location
     
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    Just the set the receiver to auto it will do both. Your do south satellite if you stand behind the dish anything left of your do south are eastern anything right of your your do south is west. My do south is 85w anything to higher in numbers is west. Not trying to confuse you. Your do south is so you can setup a motorised dish.
     
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    All those East satellites are above Europe and Asia. :)
     
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    If you want to aim for another satellite using a vertical polarity transponder you will need to enter it into your meter (like you did when you entered the horizontal one, 12152 H 20000, for 97w). Say you wanted to find 91w. You might enter 12011 V 13333 since this is an active transponder for some news channels there. Then you would position your dish at the approximate location for 91w and use the methods we have mentioned in the thread to look for and fine tune your dish for a satellite. As Dan said set polarity in your satellite receiver to Auto. Once you find a sat using your meter you will connect your satellite receiver and do a blind scan as you did before. This will show all channels (H and V) you can get. Again what you get depends on many factors (dish size, proper aim and settings, etc). Most important is to have fun. If it gets frustrating walk away for a while and come back later with a fresh look on things. Enjoy! :)
     

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