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[newbiebutnotforever]

Hi everybody its nice to be here,


I have a problem which is no signals are coming at all except from 110.

Here is my system: Pansat5000, 36''/90cm Fortec dish, FSKU-2V twin LNBF, SG1200 motor.

I tried to catch T-5 but with no result, tried to move motor all the way west and all the way east but no way.

But what bothers me is that I still get only 110 signal(sometimes) and its reminding me of the days when I was useing 18'' dish with the directv LNB.

Also when 110 is giving signal I find also Nimiq and all echos are giving signals and with scaning all I recieve the same channels from everyone of them(ex: GolTV), puting into consideration that I do not move my dish from its 110 position and although of that all other Echos are still giving signals.

What you think guys could be worng with the recpetion of the other satlites? is there any settings need to be changed first or what else it could be?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.


Thanks

 

[PSB]

Hello and WELCOME to the SatelliteGuys.US FTA forum

I would double check the elevation angle on the motor, remember one side is marked for your Latitude and the other is Elevation.

Its always a good idea to find and store a few satellites before adding a motor to the scenario.

Also make sure the L.O. is set for a Universal LNBF

09750-10600

 

[newbiebutnotforever]

Thanks PSB,


I am living in the west coast, in Washington state, my latitude is 45.6916 Degrees North, I got it from this site melissadata.xxx, and at the end of the SG motor manual they give an angel table and it shows that if my Latitude is 45 then my Elevation should be also 45 and my Dish angle would be 23.2

Are those values are perfect and right for my location? what do you think?

And also I want to say something, that if I put my latitude 45 then look at the other side of the Elevation I do not find it exactly 45.

 

[W_Tracy_Parnell]

Thanks PSB,


I am living in the west coast, in Washington state, my latitude is 45.6916 Degrees North, I got it from this site melissadata.xxx, and at the end of the SG motor manual they give an angel table and it shows that if my Latitude is 45 then my Elevation should be also 45 and my Dish angle would be 23.2

Are those values are perfect and right for my location? what do you think?

And also I want to say something, that if I put my latitude 45 then look at the other side of the Elevation I do not find it exactly 45.

I Would use your zip code to find the latitude and longitude and then PSB can give you your aiming angles also. You need to check both sides of the motor and adjust the scales to read correctly.

 

[newbiebutnotforever]

I Would use your zip code to find the latitude and longitude and then PSB can give you your aiming angles also. You need to check both sides of the motor and adjust the scales to read correctly.

98665



Thanks

 

[PSB]

             Hazel Dell, WA 98665
Latitude 45° 40.932'N Longitude 122° 39.852'W

              Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m)   El  Skew
-----------------------------------------------------
*** ALL DBS SATELLITE ***
                      
            EchoStar 3   61.5W 111.5  93.3 11.2 -40.5
          EchoStar 6/8  110.0W 162.6 144.4 35.9 -12.1
          EchoStar 5/7  119.0W 174.9 156.7 37.3  -3.6
 EchoStar 9/Telstar 13  121.0W 177.7 159.5 37.4  -1.6
          EchoStar 1/2  148.0W 213.5 195.3 31.8  22.7
            EchoStar 4  157.0W 223.7 205.5 27.5  28.8
                      
     DirecTV 1/1R/2/4S  101.0W 151.0 132.8 33.2 -19.8
             DirecTV 6  110.0W 162.6 144.4 35.9 -12.1
             DirecTV 5  119.0W 174.9 156.7 37.3  -3.6
                      
*** All Satellites 61W - 160W ***
                      
              Amazonas   60.0W 110.3  92.1 10.1 -40.9
            EchoStar 3   61.5W 111.5  93.3 11.2 -40.5
             Rainbow 1   61.5W 111.5  93.3 11.2 -40.5
              Nahuel 1   71.8W 120.2 102.1 17.9 -37.1
             DirecTV 5   72.0W 120.4 102.2 18.0 -37.1
                 AMC 6   72.0W 120.4 102.2 18.0 -37.1
             Galaxy 12   74.0W 122.2 104.0 19.3 -36.2
                 SBS 6   74.0W 122.2 104.0 19.3 -36.2
               GOES 12   75.0W 123.1 104.9 19.9 -35.8
                 AMC 5   79.0W 126.9 108.7 22.3 -34.0
             DirecTV 3   81.8W 129.6 111.4 23.9 -32.6
               Nimiq 2   82.0W 129.8 111.6 24.1 -32.5
          Brasilsat B3   84.0W 131.8 113.6 25.2 -31.4
               XM Roll   85.0W 132.8 114.7 25.7 -30.8
                 AMC 9   85.0W 132.8 114.7 25.7 -30.8
                 AMC 3   87.0W 134.9 116.8 26.8 -29.7
              Galaxy 9   91.0W 139.2 121.1 28.9 -27.1
             Galaxy 11   91.0W 139.2 121.1 28.9 -27.1
               Nimiq 1   91.0W 139.2 121.1 28.9 -27.1
          Brasilsat B4   92.0W 140.4 122.2 29.4 -26.5
             Telstar 6   93.0W 141.5 123.3 29.8 -25.8
             Galaxy 3C   95.0W 143.8 125.6 30.8 -24.4
             Telstar 5   97.0W 146.1 128.0 31.6 -22.9
             Galaxy 4R   99.0W 148.5 130.4 32.4 -21.4
             DirecTV 2  100.8W 150.7 132.6 33.1 -20.0
            DirecTV 1R  100.8W 150.7 132.6 33.1 -20.0
                 AMC 4  101.0W 151.0 132.8 33.2 -19.8
             DirecTV 1  101.0W 151.0 132.8 33.2 -19.8
                AMSC 1  101.1W 151.1 132.9 33.3 -19.7
            DirecTV 4S  101.2W 151.2 133.1 33.3 -19.7
                 AMC 1  103.0W 153.5 135.3 33.9 -18.2
                 AMC 2  105.0W 156.0 137.9 34.6 -16.5
                MSAT 1  106.5W 157.9 139.8 35.0 -15.2
               Anik F1  107.3W 159.0 140.8 35.3 -14.5
               Anik E1  109.2W 161.5 143.3 35.7 -12.8
             DirecTV 6  109.8W 162.3 144.1 35.9 -12.3
            EchoStar 6  110.0W 162.6 144.4 35.9 -12.1
            EchoStar 8  110.0W 162.6 144.4 35.9 -12.1
              Anik E2R  111.1W 164.0 145.9 36.2 -11.1
         Solidaridad 2  113.0W 166.6 148.5 36.5  -9.3
               XM Rock  115.0W 169.3 151.2 36.9  -7.4
              SatMex 5  116.8W 171.8 153.7 37.1  -5.7
               Anik E2  118.7W 174.5 156.3 37.3  -3.9
             DirecTV 5  119.0W 174.9 156.7 37.3  -3.6
            EchoStar 7  119.0W 174.9 156.7 37.3  -3.6
            EchoStar 5  119.0W 174.9 156.7 37.3  -3.6
 EchoStar 9/Telstar 13  121.0W 177.7 159.5 37.4  -1.6
            Galaxy 10R  123.0W 180.5 162.3 37.4   0.3
              Galaxy 5  125.0W 183.3 165.1 37.4   2.3
             Galaxy 12  125.0W 183.3 165.1 37.4   2.3
             Galaxy 13  127.0W 186.0 167.9 37.2   4.2
             Telstar 7  129.0W 188.8 170.7 37.0   6.2
             Satcom C3  131.0W 191.6 173.4 36.8   8.1
             Galaxy 1R  133.0W 194.3 176.1 36.4   9.9
             Satcom C4  135.0W 197.0 178.8 36.0  11.8
               GOES 10  135.5W 197.7 179.5 35.9  12.2
                 AMC 7  137.0W 199.7 181.5 35.5  13.6
                 AMC 8  139.0W 202.3 184.1 35.0  15.4
            EchoStar 1  148.0W 213.5 195.3 31.8  22.7
            EchoStar 2  148.0W 213.5 195.3 31.8  22.7
            EchoStar 4  157.0W 223.7 205.5 27.5  28.8
                      

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Looks like your true south satellite is.........

Galaxy 10R @ 123.0W

 

[newbiebutnotforever]

You guys are so helpfull, thanks man, but do you know I think your analysis should be right and that my problem is a problem of elevation, because after you said that I went this morning to check it again, and I think I made a mistake and my elevation is over 55 degree

But actually what fooled me, is that I did not see the sign which determines the elevation degree, and I was thinking that the sign is the screw itself, although the screw is big and I was always wondering about how difficult and inaccurate it, when useing a screw to point to the right degree.

But now I saw the right sign, and I will give it a try, also this morning I was able to catch AMC1, but it always seemed there is something wrong with it many channels are bad and not very clear some other are slow.

but anyway I will give it a try and hope this will work

 

[W_Tracy_Parnell]

So you should enter 45.7 and 122.7 for your Lat. and Lon.-best to be as accurate as you can. On the motor, I would try to get it in-between 45 and 46 if possible for the latitude scale and 44 and 45 on the elevation side. 23.2 is good on the dish.

 

[newbiebutnotforever]

So you should enter 45.7 and 122.7 for your Lat. and Lon.-best to be as accurate as you can. On the motor, I would try to get it in-between 45 and 46 if possible for the latitude scale and 44 and 45 on the elevation side. 23.2 is good on the dish.

Thanks so much WTP that is exactly what I did.

 

[newbiebutnotforever]

PSB that was perfect man, its working now, very nice.

Galaxy 10/R is almost my true south as you said, but I still had to move it just a littel bit to the east, but dose this mean that I should move my dish exactly to glaxy direction to make it my exact true south or that is fine?

I am making smart search right now on T-5, but I have a question, why some of satlite's signals are between 50 and 60? is there something should be done to enhance the quality of the signal?

Thanks so much A+

 

[W_Tracy_Parnell]

You point at the satellite not your TS heading. Usually this will be a little bit from your "real" TS but close enough to allow you to track the arc.

Signals strength varies from satellite to satellite. To "fine tune" your signal:

1. Make sure "skew" is "zero". Your motor will set skew.
2. Experiment with the distance from the "face" of the LNB to the dish by moving it within the LNB holder.
3. After finding a satellite with USALS use 1.2 to "nudge" it east and west slightly and see if it increases signal for you. If so save it there.

 

[bigOleB]

To "fine tune" your signal:

1. Make sure "skew" is "zero". Your motor will set skew.
2. Experiment with the distance from the "face" of the LNB to the dish by moving it within the LNB holder.
3. After finding a satellite with USALS use 1.2 to "nudge" it east and west slightly and see if it increases signal for you. If so save it there.

Well said...

 

[newbiebutnotforever]

You point at the satellite not your TS heading. Usually this will be a little bit from your "real" TS but close enough to allow you to track the arc.

Signals strength varies from satellite to satellite. To "fine tune" your signal:

1. Make sure "skew" is "zero". Your motor will set skew.
2. Experiment with the distance from the "face" of the LNB to the dish by moving it within the LNB holder.
3. After finding a satellite with USALS use 1.2 to "nudge" it east and west slightly and see if it increases signal for you. If so save it there.

Forgive me if I would say that I did not understand exactly what you just said about T5

But about the signal, when I first bought the SG it was pointing to Zero, I hope this is fine, but is there a way to check that thing from inside the reciever itself?

I used the USALS, I did put my long attitue and my attitude, but when I click on refrence position it takes me to the wrong direction, as example G10-R, This sat is working just fine, when I choose USALS and I click refrence position it moves the dish some steps and then I lose my signal, in the time that it suppose to give me a percise direction, as I understand.

Also when I click MOVE in USALS it always change the numbers and gives me this sentence OUT OF RANGE.

I started now to experience a crazy problem with the motor, when I move the motor to the east it moves just just fine but I try to make it back west it dose not move at all, I tried to click on DISABLE LIMITS, it just dose not work.

But what tells me that the motor is still working is that when I choose my G10 which I stored it, the motor start to move west normally and takes the G10 position, I am not sure what wrong exactly I did, but I am sure I did play alot in the settings like recalculate and things like that.
That thing cause a big problem searching for other satlites other than Galaxy, is there something like reseting I should do?

There are things I still do not understand in 1.2 like the current position, all sats which I do not use are NULL, then when I play with it, change it to #27 or 49#, I try to comeback to NULL but it never dose come back, from the end I do not understand at all what these things refer to, and how it can affect on my motor.

But about my LNB, I have two choices, my LNB is UNIVERSAL and the two choices are UNIVERSAL 1 and UNIVERSAL 2, which one should be right? the first one give freqe 10600 and the other is 10750? and I noticed that some times it differs from satlite to satlite

 

[W_Tracy_Parnell]

You are misreading what I wrote. I put “TS” as an abbreviation for “true south”. I didn’t mean “T5”. Also the LNB setting should be “Universal 1”.

You don’t really need to click on “Reference Position”-that could be causing problems. Here is what I would do. See if you can get the 2100 back to “zero”. Check the manual and use the “paper clip” reset if needed where you stick a paperclip in a small hole. Then point at your true south satellite-not your true south heading. The idea is to get your true south sat logged in first and then use USALS to track the arc from there. I would not mess around with changing limits or anything; you should not need to do that. I use a SG2100 and go from 30 to 148 with no issues.

However, there is an issue concerning 1.2 that is confusing with the Pansats. I had a 3500 and I assume it is the same on the 5000. Once you have a satellite setup using USALS you save it. Later, you may want to fine tune with 1.2. After fine-tuning with 1.2 you have to save again AND (this is what threw me off) you have to select a "user defined position" to do that starting at #27. If you use "null" it will not save anything. Also, you have to keep track of what satellite you are saving where so you do not write over satellites you have already saved. As an example you setup your true south with USALS and save. Then you want to fine tune with 1.2 so you do that. Now, you must save again to a user-defined position-it would make sense to start with 27. The next sat you do would be saved at 28 and so on.

But first you need to get your true south setup. Everything else will fall into place after that. Here is a link to a walkthrough I did. It is for the Coolsat 4000 Pro and the SG2100 but some of it may help you. Just remember the screens and such are different for your receiver.

http://www.pbase.com/wtracyparnell/coolsat_4000_prosg2100

 

[newbiebutnotforever]

W.T that was very nice article (it is totally recommanded for any one just started) it was very nice like your green picture which you chose for yourself, I wished if I found something like that from the early begining, but that is my destiny but I still satisfied with my system, and still I am thinking in the near future to have another Cool reciever to my other room.

I think got you this time, I will start again reseting my motor to 0 throw useing this clip, I think I need to do that to start clean, then I will aim my dish twoard the true sat not the true south, thanks for clarifying this point.

It was right what you were saying about those numbers like #27, because many sats I tried to save, and now I have only one saved and I think as you said I was writing sat over sat and some other times I was making store or save to sat on NULL and it never was stored.

Thanks so much all you said is so helpfull A+++

I will start doing that stuff tomorow morning because I need some light.

Have a good night everybody

 

[newbiebutnotforever]

Almost everything now seems to be fine, thanks so much for all your help, I got some other sats now, but I still have a difficulty to catch AMC3, I hope the PBS channels there are Ku band, I do not know why it is so difficult to get it, also there are some missing satalites in my pansat I think I will need to add it by myself.

I tried also moving my LNB that was really a good experience and gave me some freedom in dealing with my system, but this time I had to use a mirror out in my balacony to use it as my eyes, to reflect the picture of my TV, I think I had fun with this idea.

The wierd thing is that I was trying to catch T-5 and at one time it was giving signal 80% then I tried to make a scan but there were no single channel is free, but later I discovered that those encrypted channels are coming from Echo9, It was giving so powerfull signal in T-5, do you have any idea why this intervention happens? then later I had to move my dish more to the East until I catched the T.

Also I still did not get why we should use USALS, I did not see any benifit from useing it yet, I just use 1.2 and determine the position and click store and then everything is fine the motor remember the exact position, so why USALS?

Also what is the great diffrence between smart search and between the normal scaning, when I did normal scan at G13 it gave some channels, then later I used smart search, yes it gave me more number of channels, but the wierd things that most of these extra channels are repeated channels.

Anyway that was great experience, thanks again

 

[W_Tracy_Parnell]

The DBS satellites are more powerful as a rule than regular FTA birds. That is why it is easy to get signal from them and they seem to "overpower" the other sats. But if you are aimed correctly you will get the sats you want.

Most people find USALS to be an easy way to setup their satellites after finding their true south bird. If 1.2 works better for you that is fine.

The normal scan you refer to is probably an "auto scan" (may have different names on different receivers). This type of scan logs in transpondrers you already have in memory. A "Smart Search" is a "blind scan". This searches for new transponders and "refreshes" the old ones.

 

[newbiebutnotforever]

I have something so strange, some sats dose not work on UNIVERSAL 1 like G10 when I choose UN1 it gives me zero signal and I have to choose UNIVERSAL2 to makes it work, but something like T-5 must use UNIVERSAL1 10600.
It sometimes bothers me because everytime I do not have signal I start to doubt oh maybe I have to change the type of my LNB then scan again, it just steal alot of time.

And if you please can help me read some freqs from LYNGSAT that would be great http://www.lyngsat.com/amc3.html

I want to input some freqs say like the first 2 free channels (TVU and spirit)

when I try to write it I write it like that 3824 H 7000, is this right? is 7000 is right? because LYNGSAT put only 7 or 12 without completeing all the tp, what you think? or how I can find the exact number in this table?because my pansat is puting only 3 freqs in AMC3

And also there are tps like 6U or whatever, what these letters means?


Thanks

 

[voomvoom]

3824 is the correct transponder

I want to input some freqs say like the first 2 free channels (TVU and spirit)

when I try to write it I write it like that 3824 H 7000, is this right? is 7000 is right?

No it's not. 3824 is the correct transponder, but the signal rate (SR) is not 7000, the SR is 3617 which is found in the 6th column over towards the right.

because LYNGSAT put only 7 or 12 without completeing all the tp, what you think?

7 is the analog transponder number.

or how I can find the exact number in this table?because my pansat is puting only 3 freqs in AMC3

I hope my first answer is what you're looking for.

And also there are tps like 6U or whatever, what these letters means?


Thanks

The U stands for upper, L stands for lower frequency's.

Al

 

[newbiebutnotforever]

Thanks mans that makes sense now.