OTA Info in EPG

GaryPen

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Yes to the first and no to the second.
I see nothing has changed. :rolleyes:

I've been thinking of switching back to dbs after a few years with cable. My first thought was DirecTV for all the obvious reasons. (More and higher rez HD, lower price, no nickel and dime fees.) But, I was reading that E* was planning on adding SlingCatcher ability to the 722. (We're looking to buy a SlingCatcher as soon as it is released.) That, combined with a new satellite launch in July, TV Japan availability, and a low-cost HD-only package that I would combine with an OTA antenna (and Dish Locals, too, just for guide info), made going back to E* a strong possibility.

But, it still might make more sense to just go with D*, and get a separate SlingCatcher. I forgot just how annoying the E* nickel and diming can be. Decisions, decisions.

BTW, do they still charge a DVR fee per receiver? Or, have they become competitive, and made it per account like D* does?
 
Hall

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All of my sub-channels have guide data too.... If people aren't getting guide data for some of the digital channels, are they ones that Dish doesn't carry ? I get a TBN affiliate, that Dish doesn't carry, and it will have NO guide data.
 
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All of my sub-channels have guide data too.... If people aren't getting guide data for some of the digital channels, are they ones that Dish doesn't carry ? I get a TBN affiliate, that Dish doesn't carry, and it will have NO guide data.

Of the OTA subchannels I receiver, four of the subchannels has the guide info even though Dish does not carry those channels and of the four without guide info, Dish does carry one of them.
 
GaryPen

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I guess it will depend on how the E11 launch goes, and when they release the new 722s. I'll put off my decision until after the launch.

I'm gonna need two HD-DVR's, though. Do they currently let subs lease two 722's, and do they still charge $5.98 for each DVR?

And, is the add'l receiver lease fee higher for a 722? (The website says $5 or $7, depending on equipment.)

Sorry for all the questions. It's been over three years since I left Dish.
 
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Try again... yes and most of the time yes.
I have to agree with this answer to the question. We have 7 main channels of which Dish carries only 4 of. We have 9 sub channels. Of the ones that are subs of the 4 that dish carries, only 1 does not have guide data (and I am not certain that channel is even broadcasting as it is black everytime I see it).

Geoff
 
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I guess it will depend on how the E11 launch goes, and when they release the new 722s. I'll put off my decision until after the launch.

I'm gonna need two HD-DVR's, though. Do they currently let subs lease two 722's, and do they still charge $5.98 for each DVR?

And, is the add'l receiver lease fee higher for a 722? (The website says $5 or $7, depending on equipment.)

Sorry for all the questions. It's been over three years since I left Dish.

What difference is E11 going to make? It should help out the eastern arc since it will free up a spare from the 110/119 cluster and maybe squeeze a few megabits out of an 8PSK TP or three. The next big difference is going to be the Ciel satellite at 129. The HD LiLs will be flying.

I just signed up with Claude for one 722 and the HD Only Pak w/locals. Couldn't pass up the zero startup costs and other freebies.
 
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Dish doesn't carry any sub-channels unless it's like "The CW" or similar, correct ? When people talk about "dish doesn't carry a channel but I get guide data", I'm referring to normal channels, not sub-channels. For example, if a town has ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX, but Dish doesn't carry the FOX station, you won't get sub-channel guide data for FOX. You'll get sub-channel guide data for the other three including *their* sub-channels.

Does that make any sense or confuse it more ? :D
 
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and in the case of a newly launching sub-channel of a channel that Dish already carries, it's a crap shoot if they will carry the guide data for the sub.

Here in Austin, KEYE-DT launched RTN (Retro Television Network) on 42-2, and Dish is NOT carrying the EPG information. I've sent E-Mail to both the station and Dish (multiple people at dish), and no joy getting EPG info.
 
GaryPen

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What difference is E11 going to make? It should help out the eastern arc since it will free up a spare from the 110/119 cluster and maybe squeeze a few megabits out of an 8PSK TP or three. The next big difference is going to be the Ciel satellite at 129. The HD LiLs will be flying.
I din know E11 was a spotbeam bird. I assumed it was a CONUS bird that would provide some add'l capacity for national HD. (I was under the impression they were cutrrently over-compressing most of them.) Personally, I don't care about HD LiL's, as I was planning on going OTA for locals, even for SD, as Dish locals have always looked like crap. (as do Direct's.)

How do those 40 national HD channels look, btw? (The ones with actual HD content, that is.) Are they still over-compressing them?
 
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I din know E11 was a spotbeam bird. I assumed it was a CONUS bird that would provide some add'l capacity for national HD. (I was under the impression they were cutrrently over-compressing most of them.) Personally, I don't care about HD LiL's, as I was planning on going OTA for locals, even for SD, as Dish locals have always looked like crap. (as do Direct's.)

How do those 40 national HD channels look, btw? (The ones with actual HD content, that is.) Are they still over-compressing them?

E-11 is CONUS for 110. I never said it was spotbeamed.

The HI and AK customers should like E-11's much improved strength in their areas. What will it do for the 48 states? Higher signal strength which equals less rain fade, and possibly some extra bandwidth on some TP's due to the higher strength if they run the FEC at a smaller rate.

The bit rates of the MPEG4 HD isn't going to change anytime soon. It is working for more than 90% of the customers so why change it?
 
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and in the case of a newly launching sub-channel of a channel that Dish already carries, it's a crap shoot if they will carry the guide data for the sub.

Here in Austin, KEYE-DT launched RTN (Retro Television Network) on 42-2, and Dish is NOT carrying the EPG information. I've sent E-Mail to both the station and Dish (multiple people at dish), and no joy getting EPG info.

Interesting...the guide data is on TitanTV but not Dish. Usually once the guide companies pick it up Dish picks it up.
 
GaryPen

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The bit rates of the MPEG4 HD isn't going to change anytime soon. It is working for more than 90% of the customers so why change it?
But, what are the bit rates? I have no idea. Are you saying it's "HD-Lite"? As I fall into the other 10%, it wouldn't be good enough for me. (I also think your 90% comment is far to generous.)
 
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But, what are the bit rates? I have no idea. Are you saying it's "HD-Lite"? As I fall into the other 10%, it wouldn't be good enough for me. (I also think your 90% comment is far to generous.)

Most of the folks with HDTV sets are happy with analog cable stretched out. You'd laugh at the many times I was watching analog cable on my 57 inch and people say..."ooohh...that's a nice picture!" I immediately say, "uhh...no...that's a nasty picture. want to see an HD show?" I pick up the BeyondTV remote and show them some OTA recordings. Then they don't believe that this came from a TV antenna for free.

18 megabit MPEG2 feeds at 1920x1080 via consumer satellite is a thing of the past. You'll be hard pressed to find this on cable anymore too.
 
GaryPen

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MPEG2 HD in general is a thing of the past. However, I was under the impression that DirecTV's MPEG4 HD channels are pretty damn close. That's the word on the street. (and on the forums.)

I was wondering if Dish's were close, as well. But, I guess not, judging from the way you are both avoiding the subject of whether they are in fact more compressed than their rivals, and defending the practice in general.

I guess I better hit the war zone to see what's up in the HD PQ comparison arena. That DishHD package sure is enticing. But, not if I have to endure an inferior picture.
 

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