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voodooevil

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Hello.

I have OTA hd channels that show up on my dish guide, but how can I get it to display the actual guide/ program info for the OTA channels so I can use my dvr like I do with dish programs and not hunting down programing info to set timers manually?

thanks.

joe
 
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skyviewmark

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If you don't have Dish Locals available in your area you are screwed.. If you have Dish locals available, pay up.. It's worth the 5 bucks to get the guide data.
 

blanquitoman1984

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Sep 28, 2007
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Even though some of the channels that you subscribe to may still not have the information because guide information may show up as "Digital Service". Your primary channels will have guide info such as NBC, ABC, FOX including sub channels such as 4.2,4.3,4.4. But others may only say "Digital Service". Just thought you may want to know this so that you are not confused when you see this . This is not Dish Networks fault, if there is guide information and you subscribe to locals you will have all the guide information that they have available. :up
 

DishSubLA

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The PSIP here in Los Angles provides title of program info on ALL channels and sub channels via direct connection to my TV, but Dish, of course does not want us to have this convenience so that they can charge us for the data guide.

My complaint is that Dish does not provide accurate data or no data at all for the sub-channels (the .X greater than 1). I really would not mind paying the extra $5 if Dish would kindly provide the data for all the sub-channels. Dish, get on the ball on this, NOW, please.
 

KAB

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I really would not mind paying the extra $5 if Dish would kindly provide the data for all the sub-channels. Dish, get on the ball on this, NOW, please.
Dish does not generate the guide info. Tribune Media does. And I would not expect that you will ever see normal detail listings for subs. I.E., how much detail do you want from a weather radar channel?
 

whatchel1

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Sep 30, 2006
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sub listed here

The PSIP here in Los Angles provides title of program info on ALL channels and sub channels via direct connection to my TV, but Dish, of course does not want us to have this convenience so that they can charge us for the data guide.

My complaint is that Dish does not provide accurate data or no data at all for the sub-channels (the .X greater than 1). I really would not mind paying the extra $5 if Dish would kindly provide the data for all the sub-channels. Dish, get on the ball on this, NOW, please.

The sub channels for my area seem to work. The CBS station here has Tele-mundo listings & the indie channel shows the programing as well. The NBC station carries CW here as a sub and it is listed as well. PBS has both it's standard def on .1 & the HD on the .2 so the Tribune Media service seems to be doing it's job in my area.
 

LER

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and KEYE-DT2 42-2 (RTN) here in Austin still gets just the "digital service" stuff in the guide. I wish they would get the info for it......
 

garys

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The sub channels for my area seem to work. The CBS station here has Tele-mundo listings & the indie channel shows the programing as well. The NBC station carries CW here as a sub and it is listed as well. PBS has both it's standard def on .1 & the HD on the .2 so the Tribune Media service seems to be doing it's job in my area.

My Ion channel and all three of it's substations show no guide listing for me.
 

whatchel1

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Another source

My Ion channel and all three of it's substations show no guide listing for me.

Check TitanTV.com and see if it carries the listings. If it does then the problem is Tribune Media if not then it will be most likely Ion doesn't get their sch out to the services in a timely manner.

Just went to Ion TV site on line and found out that they use TitanTV as their supplier to cable & sat co's. So this may be the reason that the Tribune Media service can't supply listing right now. It may be that have an exclusive deal set up.
 

DishSubLA

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The PSIP here in Los Angles provides title of program info on ALL channels and sub channels via direct connection to my TV, but Dish, of course does not want us to have this convenience so that they can charge us for the data guide.

My complaint is that Dish does not provide accurate data or no data at all for the sub-channels (the .X greater than 1). I really would not mind paying the extra $5 if Dish would kindly provide the data for all the sub-channels. Dish, get on the ball on this, NOW, please.

Yes, you are correct in citing that Tribune provides the data, but Dish has tremendous influence and can work with Tribune to move on with the sub channels program title and info, if Dish really wants to do that.

While some sub-channels are a joke with weather, NewsRaw, or a simulcast of the main channel or foreign language content (perhaps not of great interest to me, but very important to others here legally from another country living in this area--not just Spanish, but other languages, as well), a great many sub-channels here in Los Angeles have programming that is unique with content specific to a part of the metropolitan area and retransmissions of some local channels not provided by Dish. Even full 24/7 channels that are available no where else but the sub-channel, and lastly some sub-channels re-air on different times and days programs should we miss the premier airing on the main channel (this has happened to me.) Several of the sub-channels operate with complete schedules and programming similar to the main channels. There are few things worth watching or recording. I should add that SOME sub-channel guide data is provided, however, a good amount of that data is not correct.

There are nearly at total of 60 OTA, channels, some stations running as many as 3 or 4 sub-channels, I am able to receive via the 722 OTA. That's a lot to manage without accurate guide data. Yes, some junk, but some worth the trouble.
 
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whatchel1

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Understood but unlikely to change

Yes, you are correct in citing that Tribune provides the data, but Dish has tremendous influence and can work with Tribune to move on with the sub channels program title and info, if Dish really wants to do that.

While some sub-channels are a joke with weather, NewsRaw, or a simulcast of the main channel or foreign language content (perhaps not of great interest to me, but very important to others here legally from another country living in this area--not just Spanish, but other languages, as well), a great many sub-channels here in Los Angeles have programming that is unique with content specific to a part of the metropolitan area and retransmissions of some local channels not provided by Dish. Even full 24/7 channels that are available no where else but the sub-channel, and lastly some sub-channels re-air on different times and days programs should we miss the premier airing on the main channel (this has happened to me.) Several of the sub-channels operate with complete schedules and programming similar to the main channels. There are few things worth watching or recording. I should add that SOME sub-channel guide data is provided, however, a good amount of that data is not correct.

There are nearly at total of 60 OTA, channels, some stations running as many as 3 or 4 sub-channels, I am able to receive via the 722 OTA. That's a lot to manage without accurate guide data. Yes, some junk, but some worth the trouble.

I understand having lived in the LA area at different times in the past. The thing is that unless the station isn using Tribune for a guide service then E* may not have the info to place into the EPG. If the stations are using TitanTV only then it most likely not show up in our guide. It is unfortunately but I think that is the way it is.
 

harshness

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My complaint is that Dish does not provide accurate data or no data at all for the sub-channels (the .X greater than 1). I really would not mind paying the extra $5 if Dish would kindly provide the data for all the sub-channels. Dish, get on the ball on this, NOW, please.
Sounds like your beef is with your local channels. DVRs that use PSIP data (outside of computer software based products) are few and far between. DISH Network's TR50 may be one of the few (if it does indeed use PSIP guide data). TiVo doesn't use PSIP, DIRECTV doesn't use PSIP and the cable companies don't use PSIP.
 

DishSubLA

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Sounds like your beef is with your local channels. DVRs that use PSIP data (outside of computer software based products) are few and far between. DISH Network's TR50 may be one of the few (if it does indeed use PSIP guide data). TiVo doesn't use PSIP, DIRECTV doesn't use PSIP and the cable companies don't use PSIP.

No, my beef is with Dish and Tribune. Thanks, anyway. On one carrier, Dish does have complete data on .2, for example, but either no data or incorrect data on .3 of the same carrier. Again, program title data reads correct for all sub-channels when connected directly to my TV.

Guide data for OTA locals sub-channels are just a low priority for Dish right now, I suppose. They are no doubt racing just to get all the OTA digitals on the fiber and to the uplinks. My point is that Dish should strive for complete and accurate data for all sub-channels in all DMA's and that means working with and pressuring Tribune. It is probably just too much for them to deal with now, but that really isn't a good excuse.
 

DishSubLA

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I understand having lived in the LA area at different times in the past. The thing is that unless the station isn using Tribune for a guide service then E* may not have the info to place into the EPG. If the stations are using TitanTV only then it most likely not show up in our guide. It is unfortunately but I think that is the way it is.

Thanks for the good response. I, however, think that Tribune is capable of providing all the guide data for all the sub-channel OTA because on a given carrier the .2 is data is complete and accurate while the .3 shows "Digital Service" and the .4 shows inaccurate data, all on the same carrier. And this similar situation occurs for a fair number of the OTA's. This issue just may be low priority for Dish right now, but I certainly hope they intend to make the OTA guide data as robust as the satellite channel guide data. Thanks for understanding the scale of anything in L.A.
 

harshness

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Tribune doesn't provide different data to different carriers. The carrier forwards whatever Tribune provides and if that's garbage, that is what we get. In most cases, Tribune is offering all that the station provides.

Don't expect DISH Network or any other carrier to synthesize data that the station (or Tribune) doesn't provide.
 

Jim S.

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They could use the PSIP data from the stations. Cable may not use it for their guides, but they pass it for people using QAM tuners (at least mine does.)
 

navychop

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Some observations:

OTA via antenna may well be a better signal than you'll get by subscribing to Dish. But it's a bit more trouble.

There may be OTA stations in your area that Dish does not provide. Certainly, there are many in my area.

There may be sub channels of a station that Dish does not provide. Not certain about this, others please chime in.

And as discussed, you may get inaccurate or no program data at all.


I intend to buy a TR50 as soon as available. If it works well, and has some sort of EPG data (PSIP, TVGOS digital, etc) I might get 2 or 3, and just stop recording OTA to my ViP DVR.
 
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