Ozzie states some interesting comments...

[salsadancer7]

Now I would normally put this in the baseball section....but they were big comments. Here are a few:

- "Very bad. I say, why do we have Japanese interpreters and we don't have a Spanish one. I always say that. Why do they have that privilege and we don't?" Guillen said Sunday before Chicago played the Oakland Athletics. "Don't take this wrong, but they take advantage of us. We bring a Japanese player and they are very good and they bring all these privileges to them. We bring a Dominican kid ... go to the minor leagues, good luck. Good luck. And it's always going to be like that. It's never going to change. But that's the way it is." -

- "And we had 17 Latinos and you know who the interpreter was? Oney. Why is that? Because we have Latino coaches? Because here he is? Why? I don't have the answer," Guillen said. "We're in the United States, we don't have to bring any coaches that speak Spanish to help anybody. You choose to come to this country and you better speak English. -

- "It's somebody behind the scene making money out of those kids and telling them to take something they're not supposed to," Guillen said. "If you tell me, you take this ... you're going to be Vladimir Guerrero, you're going to be Miguel Cabrera, you're going to be this guy ... I'll do it. Because I have seven brothers that sleep in the same room. I have to take care of my mother, my dad. ... Out of this I'm going to make money to make them better." -

- "players from Latin America are considered too old to sign if they're past 16 or 17, yet college prospects from the U.S. are often signed at age 22 or 23".

THEN, Major League Baseball spokesman Rich Levin, said this:

- "We test extensively in the Dominican and Venezuelan leagues, and we've increased the testing every year"

Are players that are playing in the minor leagues and colleges being tested as much as these kids in the latin american leagues?

[ame="http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5428431"]Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen: Asian players treated better than Latinos - ESPN Chicago[/ame]

 

[salsadancer7]

And I cannot say that I don't disagree.

 

[Ramy]

But there is a big difference when you are the only one speaking that language on a team as opposed to having half a dozen or more speaking speaking that language.

 

[SandraC]

Whether there is validity to what he says or not, what shines through once again is that Ozzie Guillen REALLY likes when people are talking about Ozzie Guillen.

He's the Curt Schilling of the midway...


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

But there is a big difference when you are the only one speaking that language on a team as opposed to having half a dozen or more speaking speaking that language.

What? I don't understand what you are trying to say...

 

[salsadancer7]

Whether there is validity to what he says or not, what shines through once again is that Ozzie Guillen REALLY likes when people are talking about Ozzie Guillen.

He's the Curt Schilling of the midway...


Sandra

There is NO doubt he LOVES attention. But I will take what Ozzie says over that blowheart Schilling says ANY DAY of the week. Ozzie has seen it BOTH as a player AND a manager. Something Schilling has NOT done.

 

[SandraC]

There is NO doubt he LOVES attention. But I will take what Ozzie says over that blowheart Schilling says ANY DAY of the week. Ozzie has seen it BOTH as a player AND a manager. Something Schilling has NOT done.

The bottom line is both of them talk so much that any real point either one comes up with gets lost in all the noise.

Sandra

 

[Sparkman]

If you really want to get to see Ozzie, watch The Club on MLB. Great show about the things we normally never get to see. Ozzie may not be afraid of a mic, but his players love playing for him and he'll throw himself under the bus for his team. Exactly what you want in a manager.

 

[salsadancer7]

If you really want to get to see Ozzie, watch The Club on MLB. Great show about the things we normally never get to see. Ozzie may not be afraid of a mic, but his players love playing for him and he'll throw himself under the bus for his team. Exactly what you want in a manager.

I like Ozzie. Yeah, he likes listening to himself sometimes...but it is the message not the messenger.

 

[Sparkman]

The bottom line is both of them talk so much that any real point either one comes up with gets lost in all the noise.

Sandra

Maybe to the media, not to his team.

 

[SandraC]

Maybe to the media, not to his team.

Do not disagree, but that is an entirely separate issue. I'm sure many of his players like Ozzie the manager.

It's Ozzie the blowhard that many outside of Chicago are tired of.


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

Maybe to the media, not to his team.

unfortunately, when you are not the fan of the team he manages, you depend on the media's point of you...instead of your own or the team.

Ozzie is very much like the managers of old and some of the present. The Whitey Herzog of the past and Jim Leland. They tell it like it is.....they coddle when they have to and rip you when necessary. They are good interviews but do not cross them when it comes to interview, because you will feel their venom.

 

[cybok0]

And I cannot say that I don't disagree.

:up:up:up

 

[Hart5150]

If you don't like it Ozzie, than why don't you quit, take yourself back to Venezuela with your wanna be dictator buddy Chavez. Let him decide how much you can make managing Caracas little league.

Players are offered English lessons in the minors, my friend teaches the players on the Reading Phillies.

I know the Red Sox have 2 Japanese players, but most teams have one if any. Every team has multiple Spanish speaking players that can communicate with each other.

 

[salsadancer7]

If you don't like it Ozzie, than why don't you quit, take yourself back to Venezuela with your wanna be dictator buddy Chavez. Let him decide how much you can make managing Caracas little league.

Players are offered English lessons in the minors, my friend teaches the players on the Reading Phillies.

I know the Red Sox have 2 Japanese players, but most teams have one if any. Every team has multiple Spanish speaking players that can communicate with each other.

Ok...let's take your point with a little common sense one at a time shall we ?

WTF does this have ANYTHING to do with Hugo Chavez? Absolutely NOTHING.

Next: Why not offer english to the Asian born players? It would be ALOT cheaper than getting an interpreter.

And finally: Yeah, every team has a bunch of latin players...but the issue is NOT communication between the players. It's the communication gap between players and coaches, players and team officials and players and media. If you cannot communicate with those over you, or thoese that report you comings and goings, there will be a total break down and then GOD knows what happens.

 

[SandraC]

Players are offered English lessons in the minors, my friend teaches the players on the Reading Phillies.

You mean Ozzie didn't tell the whole truth, in order to make his point.


Sandra

 

[Hart5150]

Ok...let's take your point with a little common sense one at a time shall we ?

WTF does this have ANYTHING to do with Hugo Chavez? Absolutely NOTHING.

Next: Why not offer english to the Asian born players? It would be ALOT cheaper than getting an interpreter.

And finally: Yeah, every team has a bunch of latin players...but the issue is NOT communication between the players. It's the communication gap between players and coaches, players and team officials and players and media. If you cannot communicate with those over you, or thoese that report you comings and goings, there will be a total break down and then GOD knows what happens.

I don't know about other players, but I believe most Japanese players never played in the minors. I know that Matsusaka and Okajima never played played in the minors.

This is a Union issue, not a MLB problem. They need to communicate better with their spanish membership.

 

[salsadancer7]

I don't know about other players, but I believe most Japanese players never played in the minors. I know that Matsusaka and Okajima never played played in the minors.

This is a Union issue, not a MLB problem. They need to communicate better with their spanish membership.

Nope...most Japanese players have not. This has nothing to do with the union, it's has to do with his point, and I agree, that why should anyone be treated any differently. Bad communication is bad communication, regardless of the language. Either get interpreters for everyone or teach english for everyone.

 

[SandraC]

This is a Union issue, not a MLB problem. They need to communicate better with their spanish membership.

This is actually a very good point. It sounds like a working environment issue. The union needs to step up here in support of their membership. :up


Sandra

 

[Hart5150]

Nope...most Japanese players have not. This has nothing to do with the union, it's has to do with his point, and I agree, that why should anyone be treated any differently. Bad communication is bad communication, regardless of the language. Either get interpreters for everyone or teach english for everyone.

Getting back to my point about Chavez, MLB teams are free market teams, they can hire and interpreter for any player they want. If these spanish speaking players are getting the proper instructions on the drug policy or anything else, that is a responsibility of the union and not the clubs.

Players are taught English in the minors, how many more times would you like to be told that.