PAY FOR STANLEY CUP and NHL Playoffs if you have DISH RIPP OFF

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People are used to getting certain basic things when they sign up for a television provider's standard package. Non-sports examples of that might be, say, CNN, or USA Network. If those channels aren't there, people are going to be upset. The sports version of that includes the channels that cover sports championships, among other things.

If folks think that the original poster is a rare case, they're out of touch with the average sports fan. The Stanley Cup Finals are one of those things people just expect to be there in their package on one channel or another, especially if the home town team is playing. And, yeah, a long-time Dish subscriber who's an intense hockey fan would have noticed that is missing before now -- but there are always people who are new to Dish, new to hockey fandom, or who are simply casual fans who catch games on the local RSNs when they happen to be in front of their television and notice the games being on, plus big events for their local team like an appearance in the Stanley Cup Finals. Heck, even if you noticed that you didn't get some of the regular season games or playoff games, you might just assume that because the Stanley Cup Finals are the biggest games of the year, determining the championship, that they'd be on.

And, no, not everyone can afford to hand over extra money to leapfrog packages on the spur of the moment. A lot of people in this world live hand to mouth, pay check to pay check. And when, as Dish does, a company advertises their low, low prices -- Guess what? You're likely to get more than your share of people who can't afford to or don't want to pay extra.

Dish is atrocious when it comes to sports, but it doesn't keep them from advertising sports as a selling point. If I recall correctly, one ad sells their good sports selection and transitions to their "5 packages under $50 a month" tag line. Guess what? A lot of people are going to have the impression from that ad that you'll get at least the sports "basics", like all the championship games, included in at least one of those packages under $50.

And it's not just the NHL. There are local RSNs in some areas that aren't carried as well -- i.e. the bulk of those area's home teams' games.

Heck, some of it is just poor up time, I've had my OTA locals on Dish go out twice in the last few months for more than an hour at a time, and those are just times I was watching those channels. One time I was tuning in to try to get the end of the Indy 500. I'm not a huge auto racing guy, but I can imagine some people were pretty ticked at getting their Dish subscriptions to watch the races and then not being able to see the finish of the biggest Indy car of the year. For me, missing it was a minor inconvenience, but some people look forward to that race all year and settle in with their beer and popcorn (Maybe pork rinds since racing is bigger in the south? ;) ), and couldn't have been pleased to miss it.

Anyhow, back to the main point -- Dish's main competitor is cable, and cable systems generally carry Versus on their core package. Dish should really think about that, because it's going to be a deciding factor, and probably has been, in a lot of churn for them.
 
For most people unless you have an old package. Locals are required, NBC? I would assume is a part of that. I know I am stirring the pot but its not the NFL. ;) And it is still free. I am really unclear on why he does not get NBC unless he is in a market that excludes it.

First three games of the Stanley Cup Finals are on Versus, a channel that you have to go to the America's Top 250 tier to subscribe to. NBC only carries from game four on.

For those who aren't hockey fans, the brief run down is this: The Stanley Cup Finals is a best of seven series. That means two teams play each other in at least four games. If one team wins all four, they're the champ. If not, the series keeps going until one teams wins it's fourth game and becomes the champion -- meaning there can be a total of either 4, 5, 6, or 7 games depending on how the series goes.
 
First three games of the Stanley Cup Finals are on Versus, a channel that you have to go to the America's Top 250 tier to subscribe to. NBC only carries from game four on.

WRONG!!

Games 1,2,5,6,7 are on NBC
3&4 are on Versus

Last I checked, Versus wasnt an OTA station and I know I watched the game on my local OTA station ;)
 
After a late night of watching the 1-0 game on NBC I come back to find more stupidity being repeated even after it was clearly posted and clarified early in this thread.

Ignorance continues to abound. It's not that hard to confirm for yourself that NBC has 5 of the 7 games and Vs only has 2.
 
WRONG!!

Games 1,2,5,6,7 are on NBC
3&4 are on Versus

Last I checked, Versus wasnt an OTA station and I know I watched the game on my local OTA station ;)

I would have been watching last night had I known that. I wasn't even looking for it, though, because I assumed I didn't get it. A lot of playoff games and some Stanley Cup Finals games being on a channel you don't get tends to have that effect -- at some point, you guess wrong about what you get or don't get and do something else with your time. I'm beginning to really strongly dislike Dish.

If I can afford it, I'll probably go back to cable at the end of my contract -- at least I get the channels I expect to get that way instead of trying to play a guessing game about who Charlie's feuding with this week. Once the promotional period runs out, the Dish and cable prices are only slightly different if one takes into account that Dish refused to provide me with an HD dish or receiver when I signed up (So comparing Dish's standard prices with SD cable). And cable doesn't go out every time there's a storm, or some random glitch at Dish HQ. And cable offers me MSNBC and Versus on their regular tier, two channels that are important to me that Dish won't give me on their regular tier. About the only advantage to Dish is that it carries the CSN Mid-Atlantic overflow channel that Comcast didn't -- but even there, Comcast carries a total of 4 RSNs to Dish's 2 in my area, so, while I'd actually rather have the 2 with the overflow channel than the 4 without the overflow channel (The overflow channel is my favorite hockey team a lot of nights, the 2 extra RSNs I could get are teams from regions I don't root for), that is a lot more sports options over all.

18 monthsish to go until I can drop Dish... I wish I could leave now, but this stupid contract holds me hostage unless I want to pay a ransom-like ETF to get out of my deal.

I'm already looking into going back for Internet next month, because I'd qualify as a new customer (Meaning promotional rate!), I think, after 6 months, and my Internet solution is even worse than my television solution, currently, but my Internet of the last 5-6 months is month to month and can be cancelled anytime.

I'm really disgusted with cable for a lot of reasons, including price, but it may well be the best of a bunch of bad options for both television and Internet. I took a chance and made a break with it, which was something that I still think was worth giving a try, but having seen what's out there, I guess it's the best i can do. I'll just sign up for something more modest than I used to have and take advantage of promotional rates for a while to negate the cost issues and then see where things are when the rates are up. It'd be nice if someone could just offer a good standard cable and Internet package at a low regular price, though... Why does everything have to be so darn expensive?
 
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I would have been watching last night had I known that. I wasn't even looking for it, though, because I assumed I didn't get it. A lot of playoff games and some Stanley Cup Finals games being on a channel you don't get tends to have that effect -- at some point, you guess wrong about what you get or don't get and do something else with your time. I'm beginning to really strongly dislike Dish.
You might as well blame NBC too, since you didn't think about looking there, either.:rolleyes:
 
You might as well blame NBC too, since you didn't think about looking there, either.:rolleyes:

Hey, guess what? If I knew I'd get the games, I'd have turned the fricking television set on and looked around for it, and found the game on NBC. With this stupid crap where Dish Network doesn't pick up a lot of channels, including basic ones, I got a little confused and thought it was on Versus, which I don't get, and which does have exclusive rights to a lot of the playoff games, and a couple Stanley Cup Finals games. I'm sorry I'm not a television programming expert with a perfect memory. I shouldn't have to be either to watch the Stanley Cup Finals on a service I pay for. It should just be there, every night, every game. Period.
 
I would have been watching last night had I known that. I wasn't even looking for it, though, because I assumed I didn't get it. A lot of playoff games and some Stanley Cup Finals games being on a channel you don't get tends to have that effect -- at some point, you guess wrong about what you get or don't get and do something else with your time. I'm beginning to really strongly dislike Dish.
Sweet! So the MLS games I was missing that were on Galavision wasn't my fault, but Dish's because they didn't tell me about them. I love it when I can blame someone else for something!

And cable doesn't go out every time there's a storm, or some random glitch at Dish HQ.
Good news, Dish Network and Directv don't go out with every storm either.

18 monthsish to go until I can drop Dish... I wish I could leave now, but this stupid contract holds me hostage unless I want to pay a ransom-like ETF to get out of my deal.
You are free to change the package you subscribe to. Of course, some people think that when they lower their Sat/Cable bill, they should get more channels too.

Hey, guess what? If I knew I'd get the games, I'd have turned the fricking television set on and looked around for it, and found the game on NBC.
Or looked at some TV guide or put out at least a tiny bit of effort.
With this stupid crap where Dish Network doesn't pick up a lot of channels, including basic ones, I got a little confused and thought it was on Versus, which I don't get, and which does have exclusive rights to a lot of the playoff games, and a couple Stanley Cup Finals games.
So, are you upset that Dish Network has Versus, ie the channel with the exclusive rights to the NHL? Because otherwise, you mixed a couple unrelated thoughts together there.
I'm sorry I'm not a television programming expert with a perfect memory. I shouldn't have to be either to watch the Stanley Cup Finals on a service I pay for.
Agreed. I shouldn't have to pay extra for porn. I pay my bill, I pay my taxes! Where is the porn?!
It should just be there, every night, every game. Period.
Good news, every game is available, you just have to pay to get it. Kind of like how I don't get any games on ESPN or ESPN 2 now because I have Latino Dos. I weighed my options and felt that I didn't want to pay so much money for the bill, so I made a compromise and tried to gain access to what I wanted most, for the price I was willing to pay. If I wanted to watch ESPN, I need to pay for it, the same goes for HBO or Versus.
 
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Good news, Dish Network and Directv don't go out with every storm either.

Every storm was an exaggeration on my part, but it happens at least a couple of times a month, sometimes it'll even go into a loop where it gets knocked out, spends 5-10 minutes trying to reacquire a satellite signal, reaquires it, and then gets knocked out again. I once had that cycle happen six times in a row.

You are free to change the package you subscribe to.

Sure, if I don't want to eat this month. ;)

My point is, once the promotional rate is up, the rate isn't really that different from a similar SD cable package, but you get a lot less.

Or looked at some TV guide or put out at least a tiny bit of effort.

I had thought I had heard that the first three games were on Versus, which I know I don't get. I probably looked it up at some point and then got confused. But, hey, maybe I should check every day and spend time memorizing whether I get every game I might want to watch each day. Or they could just provide the freaking channels in their base package like cable does.

So, are you upset that Dish Network has Versus, ie the channel with the exclusive rights to the NHL? Because otherwise, you mixed a couple unrelated thoughts together there.

Should be in a tier you don't have to be rich to afford.

Agreed. I shouldn't have to pay extra for porn. I pay my bill, I pay my taxes! Where is the porn?!

On the Internet. You're welcome. ;)

Good news, every game is available, you just have to pay to get it. Kind of like how I don't get any games on ESPN or ESPN 2 now because I have Latino Dos. I weighed my options and felt that I didn't want to pay so much money for the bill, so I made a compromise and tried to gain access to what I wanted most, for the price I was willing to pay. If I wanted to watch ESPN, I need to pay for it, the same goes for HBO or Versus.

If you found something that makes you happy, more power to you. For my part, when I sacrifice to pay a bill each month, I expect at least a certain basic level of service -- channel and programming availability, lack of outages, etc.. While I'm on a promotional rate, maybe this deal isn't so bad, but I've got a contract that's going to force me to stick around and pay regular price for a service that doesn't meet my expectations. It seems like as the years pass, everyone wants us to pay more and get less. When I was growing up, my parents subscribed to basic wire into the television cable -- it was much cheaper -- and you could watch the Stanley Cup Finals, every game, every year without fail. But across the board in the industry, prices keep going up, and oftentimes even while they add more channels, you actually get less of the programming you want to see. That old cable package years ago might have only had like 50 channels, but it had almost all of the programming I wanted to see -- Dish Network technically offers over on 120 channels on the AT120+, but it's missing basic stuff that was in the that old cable package, in favor of a bunch of channels that literally consist of 24/7 infomercials and such.

If Dish, say, made the promotional rates the regular rates, this stuff would be easier to swallow. But, really, once I hit the regular rates until the point I cancel, I'll be paying just a few dollars less than an equivalent cable package and missing all sorts of stuff I'd get in that cable package. If Dish wants to play hardball with channels and can't offer the uptime cable has, etc., that might be worth it for deep deep price cuts. But not for the prices they're charging, especially not when you can get a promotional rate from cable for a while. Not that cable is great either -- they are suck in different ways -- but I am sort of getting sick of Dish's particular suckitude at this point. Unfortunately, the contract ties me to them for another year and a half... Man, I hate contracts. I usually make it a policy never to sign them for services, but finances are tight enough that I needed that promotional rate for a while and cable wasn't giving it to me because I was a loyal customer (Ironically).
 
Should be in a tier you don't have to be rich to afford.

Think about this, it is not DISH's fault for Verses to get the NHL deal, and before the deal was done, DISH already had the contract on Verses already and that contract is for the channel to be at AT 250. That could change once a new contract is signed. Kind of like what happened to FX it was on AT 200 then after the whole fox contract and stuff, in Feb. it became part of the AT 120 package.
 
after reading all six pages, i got to say, way to go everyone, you feed the troll his dinner, this thread should had just been locked after page one.
 
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