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hey i think i may know what you are doing wrong? I don't know if you are using an angle finder or deg marks on the mount........
are you using an angle finder? turn the angle finder the other way, facing away from you and go on the other side. Now the 40 degrees will be up :) Or/Also you have two flat surfaces on the angle finder, switch to the other.

on my cband dish the far east satellite is 31 degrees or something and is definately NOT pointing at the ground. The middle is around 60 degrees i think. So you are/should be in the middle there somewhere. I still think a 10 dollar sat finder would suffice. If you don't want to wait on the mail/ebay system, Radio Shack has the same sat finder with the Wineguard name on it for 35 dollars or thereabouts. This is very accurate and easy to use! Im not kidding. I didn't have a clue before this one dish.

(remember im new, so don't take too much into what i say)
I don't know also if elliptical is different/same/no relation as offset
Also remember offsets, if thats what it is, will look like they are pointing at a wall, when they are actually collecting the signal from 60 deg above or whatever that dish offsets.
 
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I need help setting the first signal with my 33'' dish and sg2100 motor ,how do I know elevetion and declination angle in west palm beach florida ,does this motor find the satelites by itself or do I HAVE TO DO IT MANUALLY
 
Splicer said:
Thanks for the welcome and I apologize for my inpatience;) . Isn't Azimuth = left/right and Elevation = up/down?

The zip code is 45154.

Thanks for the link Voomvoom:up .
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These are all the angles for all the sats for your zip . Remember there is Az(t) -> true and Az(m) -> magnetic ( compas ) .

Check your elevation at the mount , where it attaches to the dish , where you can get a flat spot that is paralell to the dish .

Wyr



Mount Orab, OH 45154
Latitude 39° 2.724'N Longitude 83° 56.880'W

Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m) El Skew
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*** Of Particular Interest ***

EchoStar 3 61.5W 146.7 153.1 39.1 -25.2
EchoStar 6 110.0W 217.8 224.2 37.3 28.4
EchoStar 8 110.0W 217.8 224.2 37.3 28.4
EchoStar 7 119.0W 228.1 234.5 32.1 35.3
EchoStar 5 119.0W 228.1 234.5 32.1 35.3
EchoStar 9/Telstar 13 121.0W 230.2 236.5 30.8 36.6
EchoStar 1 148.0W 253.0 259.3 11.3 47.9
EchoStar 2 148.0W 253.0 259.3 11.3 47.9
EchoStar 4 157.0W 259.1 265.5 4.4 49.7

DirecTV 3 81.8W 176.6 183.0 44.7 -2.6
DirecTV 2 100.8W 205.7 212.1 41.5 19.7
DirecTV 1R 100.8W 205.7 212.1 41.5 19.7
DirecTV 1 101.0W 206.0 212.3 41.4 19.9
DirecTV 4S 101.2W 206.2 212.6 41.4 20.1
DirecTV 6 109.8W 217.6 223.9 37.4 28.3
DirecTV 5 119.0W 228.1 234.5 32.1 35.3

*** All Satellites 61W - 160W ***

EchoStar 3 61.5W 146.7 153.1 39.1 -25.2
Rainbow 1 61.5W 146.7 153.1 39.1 -25.2
Brasilsat A2 (incl. 5.8 deg) 63.0W 148.7 155.1 39.8 -23.8
Brasilsat B2 65.0W 151.4 157.8 40.7 -21.8
Brasilsat B1 70.0W 158.5 164.9 42.5 -16.6
Nahuel 1 71.8W 161.1 167.5 43.1 -14.5
AMC 6 72.0W 161.4 167.8 43.1 -14.3
Galaxy 12 74.0W 164.4 170.8 43.6 -12.0
SBS 6 74.0W 164.4 170.8 43.6 -12.0
GOES 12 75.0W 166.0 172.3 43.8 -10.9
AMC 5 79.0W 172.2 178.6 44.5 -6.1
DirecTV 3 81.8W 176.6 183.0 44.7 -2.6
Nimiq 2 82.0W 176.9 183.3 44.7 -2.4
Brasilsat B3 84.0W 180.1 186.5 44.8 0.1
XM Roll 85.0W 181.7 188.0 44.8 1.3
AMC 9 85.0W 181.7 188.0 44.8 1.3
AMC 3 87.0W 184.8 191.2 44.7 3.8
Galaxy 11 91.0W 191.1 197.5 44.2 8.6
Nimiq 1 91.0W 191.1 197.5 44.2 8.6
Brasilsat B4 92.0W 192.7 199.0 44.0 9.8
Telstar 6 93.0W 194.2 200.6 43.8 11.0
Galaxy 8I (incl. 1.0 deg) 95.0W 197.2 203.6 43.3 13.3
Galaxy 3C 95.0W 197.2 203.6 43.3 13.3
Telstar 5 97.0W 200.2 206.6 42.8 15.6
Inmarsat 2 f2 (incl. 1.7 deg) 98.0W 201.7 208.0 42.5 16.7
Galaxy 4R 99.0W 203.1 209.5 42.2 17.8
DirecTV 2 100.8W 205.7 212.1 41.5 19.7
DirecTV 1R 100.8W 205.7 212.1 41.5 19.7
AMC 4 101.0W 206.0 212.3 41.4 19.9
DirecTV 1 101.0W 206.0 212.3 41.4 19.9
AMSC 1 101.1W 206.1 212.5 41.4 20.0
DirecTV 4S 101.2W 206.2 212.6 41.4 20.1
AMC 1 103.0W 208.7 215.1 40.6 21.9
Solidaridad 1 (incl. 2.8 deg) 103.5W 209.4 215.8 40.4 22.4
AMC 2 105.0W 211.4 217.8 39.8 23.9
G-Star 3 (incl. 11.5 deg) 105.0W 211.4 217.8 39.8 23.9
G-Star 1 (incl. 6.0 deg) 105.0W 211.4 217.8 39.8 23.9
MSAT 1 106.5W 213.4 219.8 39.1 25.3
Anik F1 107.3W 214.4 220.8 38.7 26.0
Anik E1 109.2W 216.8 223.2 37.8 27.7
DirecTV 6 109.8W 217.6 223.9 37.4 28.3
EchoStar 6 110.0W 217.8 224.2 37.3 28.4
EchoStar 8 110.0W 217.8 224.2 37.3 28.4
Anik E2R 111.1W 219.2 225.5 36.8 29.4
Solidaridad 2 113.0W 221.4 227.8 35.7 30.9
Morelos 2 (incl. 4.4 deg) 114.9W 223.6 230.0 34.6 32.4
XM Rock 115.0W 223.7 230.1 34.6 32.5
SatMex 5 116.8W 225.7 232.1 33.5 33.8
Anik E2 118.7W 227.8 234.1 32.3 35.1
DirecTV 5 119.0W 228.1 234.5 32.1 35.3
EchoStar 7 119.0W 228.1 234.5 32.1 35.3
EchoStar 5 119.0W 228.1 234.5 32.1 35.3
EchoStar 9/Telstar 13 121.0W 230.2 236.5 30.8 36.6
Galaxy 10R 123.0W 232.2 238.5 29.5 37.8
Galaxy 5 125.0W 234.1 240.5 28.2 39.0
Galaxy 9 127.0W 236.0 242.4 26.8 40.1
Telstar 7 129.0W 237.8 244.2 25.4 41.1
Satcom C3 131.0W 239.6 246.0 24.0 42.1
Galaxy 1R 133.0W 241.3 247.7 22.6 43.0
Satcom C4 135.0W 243.0 249.4 21.1 43.8
GOES 10 135.5W 243.4 249.8 20.7 44.0
AMC 7 137.0W 244.6 251.0 19.6 44.6
AMC 8 139.0W 246.2 252.6 18.2 45.3
Inmarsat 2 f3 (incl. 1.9 deg) 142.0W 248.6 254.9 15.9 46.3
EchoStar 1 148.0W 253.0 259.3 11.3 47.9
EchoStar 2 148.0W 253.0 259.3 11.3 47.9
TDRS 9 (incl. 7.4 deg) 151.0W 255.1 261.4 9.0 48.6
TDRS 10 (incl. 6.2 deg) 151.0W 255.1 261.4 9.0 48.6
EchoStar 4 157.0W 259.1 265.5 4.4 49.7

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My whole problem stems around aiming the dish. I just purchased the cheap Vu meter off eBay but am still leary. May be a better alternative to just call a sat guy to come and aim the dish? This is really getting ridiculous/frustrating.

One more Q. The LNB has 2 'F' (75ohm) connections. One with a 'V' and one with a 'H'. I am only interested in 1 channel and the polarity is 'V'ertical. I do not have any connections made to the 'H' side. Will this cause a problem?

And I just thought of something else. I have the cable running directly from the LNB to the receiver. Is this the correct method of connection? I know my big dish's go off the LNB to a sat splitter with 1 port that passes power. Do I need one of these?
 
cable from lnb to reciever is fine, how i had it before I started splitting.

would you think you should at least temporarily connect both, so you can cycle thru the channels when trouble shooting? Remeber that each satellite alternates with the same transponder number the vertical and horizontal. That way if you are only on channel 1 and you get a feed but reference it to your satellite chart as the next sat over, you can be done that much faster. If it wasn't connected you would pass on over it, thinking there isn't anything there. That same elevation wont work on the next satellite, most likely.

did my first paragraph of my post number 22 help you with the question that you posted just before that? it sounded like you were on the right track. Are you using an angle finder as found by the levels and squares in Lowe's or Home Depot? Have you tried to have the adjustments pretty loose and just slowly free looking for just anything? This would help you reference where you are.
 
Also pay attention to WyrTwister's very helpful post. Mainly the line you are looking for.....Galaxy 4R 99.0W 203.1 209.5 42.2 17.8 A compass with the degrees (not to be mistaken for the degrees of a Longitude [ie. 99.0] ) would be helpful.

Remember that on a compass 0 degrees is true NORTH and 180 degrees is true SOUTH
The 209.5 is what you will be pointing to, i believe. Without any tools I can only help you visualize: make a hand like a karate chop and point it true south. That is 180 degrees on the compass. That is 83 W, right?. Now, move to your west, sweeping over about a 29.5 degree angle (the difference of the 209.5 setting and the 180 True south) ; you know how much a 45 degree angle is (don't mix 90 degree angles with a 45, common mistake with quick thinking), so make a guesstimate just over half that.
You should try it out some more before calling someone out, but then again, they could probably use the business :)

now put a straight edge vertically over the face of the dish. Put the 10 dollar angle finder you got from Lowes (does the pole mount have degrees on it? if so never mind the angle finder? ) on the straight edge. adjust to 42.2. I believe the skew setting of 17.8 is done on the actual reciever. Someone please jump in and correct me on my elevation suggestion if i am off, but this is how its done on the big dish.

Big fancy equipment isn't necessary unless you plan on doing this regularly, as it'd be cheaper to hire someone with the big fancy equipment :)

You probably know this, but the compass has, depending on your location, varying magnetic interference, or magnetic deviation, and that why there are two numbers that are close together above (the 209 and the 203 degree settings) just wanted to say that incase that was confusing.
 
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somery said:
Also pay attention to WyrTwister's very helpful post. Mainly the line you are looking for.....Galaxy 4R 99.0W 203.1 209.5 42.2 17.8 A compass with the degrees (not to be mistaken for the degrees of a Longitude [ie. 99.0] ) would be helpful.

Remember that on a compass 0 degrees is true NORTH and 180 degrees is true SOUTH
The 209.5 is what you will be pointing to, i believe. Without any tools I can only help you visualize: make a hand like a karate chop and point it true south. That is 180 degrees on the compass. That is 83 W, right?. Now, move to your west, sweeping over about a 29.5 degree angle (the difference of the 209.5 setting and the 180 True south) ; you know how much a 45 degree angle is (don't mix 90 degree angles with a 45, common mistake with quick thinking), so make a guesstimate just over half that.
You should try it out some more before calling someone out, but then again, they could probably use the business :)

now put a straight edge vertically over the face of the dish. Put the 10 dollar angle finder you got from Lowes (does the pole mount have degrees on it? if so never mind the angle finder? ) on the straight edge. adjust to 42.2. I believe the skew setting of 17.8 is done on the actual reciever. Someone please jump in and correct me on my elevation suggestion if i am off, but this is how its done on the big dish.

Big fancy equipment isn't necessary unless you plan on doing this regularly, as it'd be cheaper to hire someone with the big fancy equipment :)

You probably know this, but the compass has, depending on your location, varying magnetic interference, or magnetic deviation, and that why there are two numbers that are close together above (the 209 and the 203 degree settings) just wanted to say that incase that was confusing.
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You are correct , on a C band or other prime feed dish , you can put a straight edge in the " face " of the dish . On an offset ( Ku band ) dish , I am not so sure this works ?

I would put the angle finder on the back mount of the dish . This is also what I did on the C band dish

Wyr
 
?? Are you saying you need more help?

what are you able to recieve? Do you have a tv close by so when you are aiming (adjusting), you can tell if its coming in or not? It takes only a slight movement (1/8 inch or something like that) to change whether its watchable(sellable :) ) or not. Are you getting any of the settings or having trouble with all of them. What about this "virtual channel" Does your reciever have this? Maybe thats for those automatic positioners? Don't know about that. What else are you having problems with at this point?
Anyone else? Im all out of ideas.
 
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I am just going to get a satellite installer to set the system out. Then I can at least see how it is supposed to be done to do others myself. This is a very frustrating experience so far. But I appreciate the attempts at helping me:hatsoff: .
 
Welcome Splicer to the other side of the world. :)

When all else fails, satellite installer maybe able to help you out. Some of those guys however are stuck on Echostar and DirecTV to know any difference unless they are like some of us in here that knows better. Man, I have satellite installers still stopping by once in a while checking out my set up on side of the house. What's with the two Primestar dishes? What's StarChoice? What's this one for?, etc. I'm like you, a little ole school but not quite as long as you have been in the biz. I remember starting out in cable, I have a friend that use to be a C Band installer, he helped me out once in a blue moon. I like a challenge tho so I just point, aim and search for what I am looking for. Nothing like learning where to point.
Man for now with all that snow you are getting, try to stay a little warm. Nothing like finding stuff to do in the headend to stay warm. ;)
BTW, another Digital Stream on the way.
 
It can be frustrating, but it's like riding a bike, once you do it right once, you never forget it.

The good thing is when you get your dish on G-4 (G-16 now) at 99 west, the hits channels are all over KU band there and if you decide to carry additional channels that you do not get on c-band or whatever setup you have, you can route another cable in from the lnbf I guess from what you said one cable is "vertical" and one is "horizontal".

You can then split this to additional digicipher receivers for expansion of your cable system.

It's good to hear there are still small business cable companies.

I would like to see some of the pics of your headend.
the modulators, recievers and dishes.

we love that stuff around here-LOL
 
Well here is an update...

Thursday I hired a sat man that just opened shop in my town. Figured I would show local support...that mistake will not be made again. Said he could be there saturday. We had some snow and I was called on saturday about an hour before the appointment to reschedule due to the 'bad' weather...wasn't bad so much, just need to use common sense when driving... and the main road to the sat location was wet but not slick. When asked when they could reschedule for I was told late tuesday afternoon! WTF??? I said no that first thing monday morning would be acceptable...No go...sat man is busy in another city (WTF???) on mondays. NO give on the reschedule so I just said to cancel. I'll figure something else out...Now all I have to do is...figure something else out! LOL You woould think a new business would want to have a reference like a consultant for a cable co in his file...Oh well.

truckracer I will post some after pictures of the headend when I am finished with the reconfig and rewiring.
 
:( I thought you were waiting a while on this fix. That doesn't seem too unreasonable, as you don't want the poor guy to get hurt or anything.
 
The dish is a pole mount on the ground so no real fear of slipping/falling IMHO...Not to be a jerk or anything but all I know is that if I accept a job, come hell or high water, I show...
 
OK...Update time...STILL have NOT gotten this very elusive channel:mad: ...Just found out last night that I (I guess) have had the receiver turned to the wrong channel (the channel I was told by the broadcaster to tune to)...So I am told of the new channel and by golly the receiver will NOT accept that channel:mad: ...So I am instructed on doing a factory reset...And while that did indeed wipe the slate clean so to speak...the damn box still will not accept the new channel...just goes back to the previously tuned channel...

Any suggestions??? I had the dish aimed wrong too since I was looking for a different channel...but now I have NO IDEA how I am to tune in a satelite that the receiver will not accept the channel # of...
 
Splicer said:
OK...Update time...STILL have NOT gotten this very elusive channel:mad: ...Just found out last night that I (I guess) have had the receiver turned to the wrong channel (the channel I was told by the broadcaster to tune to)...So I am told of the new channel and by golly the receiver will NOT accept that channel:mad: ...So I am instructed on doing a factory reset...And while that did indeed wipe the slate clean so to speak...the damn box still will not accept the new channel...just goes back to the previously tuned channel...

Any suggestions??? I had the dish aimed wrong too since I was looking for a different channel...but now I have NO IDEA how I am to tune in a satelite that the receiver will not accept the channel # of...
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