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Triumph

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Forgive me for being “long winded”, but information is power. This is not truly FTA, but it’s also not the “Big Guys”. Hope I’m posting in the correct place.

First time at this, am I just being impatient?

Equipment list:

-Winegard DS-2076 76cm dish (fixed)
-Pansat FSS Digital KU LNBF (PF-7600S) RF: 11.7-12.2Ghz, L.O. Freq: 10.75Ghz, N.F. 0.6db
-Finepass SV-5800 VCS Digital Satellite Receiver
-Viaccess Ver.1.1 Smartcard with 1 year H2US1, H2US2 subscription

Target Satellite Information from my locale:


-AMC-4K (101.0deg West)
-Elevation: 38.9deg
-Azimuth: True-214.8, Mag. Compass: 225.2
-LNB Skew: 26.4deg (I assume the positive “+” is implied)
-Per provider, TP used: 12120/V/30000

Setup actions:


-Installed mast on deck (easy access) using magnetic analog Ace Hardware inclinometer
-Adjusted dish elevation to above setting using the primitive scale on the dish mount
-Adjusted azimuth using cheap chart magnetic compass squared the best I could on top of mast to above azimuth
-Skewed LNB (counterclockwise facing dish) to above setting using primitive scale on LNB mount. I ensured LNB was pushed back away from dish in its mount (two scales line up)
-Ran 100ft of cable through hole in house to receiver, coiling approximately 40 unused feet prior to receiver (limiting factor?)

What I’m (not) seeing on receiver:


-I guess the satellite (or correct satellite)
-Signal strength is 96-98 on a scale of 0-100, but Signal Quality is 0. I understand my goal is Signal Quality and it’s the true indicator I’ve successfully aligned.
-When I use my receiver to scan the TP (or programmed TP’s) a list of subscription broadcast channels appear with a “No Signal” advisory. I assume these are pre-programmed into the receiver.

Corrective action to date:
-Spent the last two days tweaking elevation, azimuth, and skew at very small increments in hope of seeing something other than “0” Signal Quality with negative results

Possible limiting factors:


- As stated above, I did coil approximately 40 feet of cable just prior to the receiver. I believe it’s possible there could be a resistance issue, but I assume I would see some indication of Signal Quality anyway, so I’m hesitant to replace/hack the cable until I get an initial indicator of Signal Quality on the above TP. Once (hopefully) aligned, I’ll address resistance loss.
- There is what may be an obstacle approximately 175 feet away. I don’t really believe this is the case. It appears that my directional line-of-sight skirts the very top of a (currently bare) tree when eye-balling my dish (elevation/angle)

I really don’t want to pay the only independent installer near me the $200 +materials for the use of a digital meter/identifier and to place the static dish on the roof. I see there is a relatively inexpensive analog “Sat Finder” on the market, but it doesn’t appear to identify satellites or measure signal quality (signal strength only). My receiver already does this. I’m guessing it’s probably useful on a roof when doing this solo.

Am I just being impatient here? Am I missing something? Does a Viaccess card need to be activated? I’m guessing (notice I use the term guessing a lot, thus the post) the card doesn’t factor in to signal quality.

Appreciate any suggestions, recommendations, and/or guidance from the quorum.

Regards,

Tom
 
Thanks for the quick-reply Lat7. Here's what's pre-programmed:

LNB Type: User LNB
LNB Freq. Low: 10750
LNB Freq High: 10750
DiSEqC Switch: None
Polarity Control: Disable
0/22khz Control: Off
LNB Power: On
Store: Current Sat

I'm guessing again: It looks OK.

Regards,

Tom
 
Are you skewed Counter Clockwise?

Try a couple things...
LNB Type: User LNB - See if there is "Standard" of "Single"
LNB Freq. Low: 10750
LNB Freq High: 10750
DiSEqC Switch: None
Polarity Control: Disable - Is "Enable" and option? If so, select enable
0/22khz Control: Off
LNB Power: On
Store: Current Sat

Is there a place to select the Transponder you are try to get? "12120/V/30000"
 
Sorry mistyped, values should read:

Polarity Control 13/18V
LNB Freq. Band Control: Disable

There is a "Standard LNBF" LNB Tyoe, but its values mirror the "User LNB".

Regards,

Tom
 
Are you skewed Counter Clockwise?

Is there a place to select the Transponder you are try to get? "12120/V/30000"

Yes, I can select an individual TP or search through the entire list below. I've done both (for each individual TP and the entire list).

11860/H/28178
12120/V/30000
11708/V/2170
11822/H/5700
11983/H/5900
12020/H/2034
12169/H/3003

Thanks again.
 
Make sure you have the TP you are looking for selected!
Quality meter opnly reacts if the Selected TP is active. If you don't have an Active / Live TP selected, the Quality meter will not Light up even though you are on the Sat.

If at all possible, bring the receiver and small TV to the Dish
Loosen Dish mounting bolts just enough so you can twist the Dish on the Post
Position the Dish so you are positive you are East of the Sat, then sloooooowly push the Dish to the west, watching the Quality Meter. Slow is the key.
If nothing, Raise or Lower dish 1 degree and repeat.

Also make sure you are looking at the correct indicator for the Dish Elevation.
 
Success!!!! Thanks guys, beverage of your choice whenever possible. Here's how I locked with your advice:

- Used cheap compass (again) to reset target azimuth
- Set receiver to 11822H/H/5700 (Thanks Corrado)
- Slowly increased elevation 1 degree at a time until I received a signal (Thanks Lak7)
-- Of note my primitive elevation scale on the mast reads about 49 degrees, where the online angle calculator said 39.8 for my address with this Sat (AMC-4K)
- Tweaked dish azimuth a pubimeter until Signal Qualit/Strength reached 90.
- Rescanned all preprogrammed TP's

Wife is one happy camper. All kinds of (subscribed) Korean channels now. I was paying $60-80 a month renting tapes/DVD's that I'm sure were ripped from the same source.

Can't thank you enough.

Regards,

Tom
 
Success!!!! Thanks guys, beverage of your choice whenever possible. Here's how I locked with your advice:

- Used cheap compass (again) to reset target azimuth
- Set receiver to 11822H/H/5700 (Thanks Corrado)
- Slowly increased elevation 1 degree at a time until I received a signal (Thanks Lak7)
-- Of note my primitive elevation scale on the mast reads about 49 degrees, where the online angle calculator said 39.8 for my address with this Sat (AMC-4K)- Tweaked dish azimuth a pubimeter until Signal Qualit/Strength reached 90.
- Rescanned all preprogrammed TP's

Wife is one happy camper. All kinds of (subscribed) Korean channels now. I was paying $60-80 a month renting tapes/DVD's that I'm sure were ripped from the same source.

Can't thank you enough.

Regards,

Tom

Tom,

Great that you got 'er tuned in, but, I wonder why the discrepancy of ~9 degrees is present for your elevation. That is an enormous discrepancy.

I have the same dish, DS-2076, but I have it motorized. What on-line calculator did you use and what lat/long did you enter for your site information?

Radar
 
Here's where I eat some crow, but I don't mind. It's better than sending someone on a wild goose chase.

Site was dish finder tv satellite at dishfinder.com

Here comes the crow. I was using the lock-down bolt to center on the primitive elevation scale. I didn't realize you look through the scale slot and use the edge of the piece of metal behind the slot. Re-looking at this, I can see that the above link was in-fact accurate and the root cause of my problem (elevation improperly set, inexperience, nothing stated from Winegard, etc. etc.) was my own.

Regards,

Tom
 
Well, this indicator problem does come up often enough that we should make more effort at getting the word out.
I feel sorry for anyone getting caught out by this silly and poorly documented problem!

Maybe pictures of both (Iceberg has posted 'em) in an easily found FAQ, for instance.
This site is here to help beginners; they are the ones most likely to be misled.

Also, how about a list of dish brands, and which way they work.?. - :up
 
Here's where I eat some crow, but I don't mind. It's better than sending someone on a wild goose chase.

Site was dish finder tv satellite at dishfinder.com

Here comes the crow. I was using the lock-down bolt to center on the primitive elevation scale. I didn't realize you look through the scale slot and use the edge of the piece of metal behind the slot. Re-looking at this, I can see that the above link was in-fact accurate and the root cause of my problem (elevation improperly set, inexperience, nothing stated from Winegard, etc. etc.) was my own.

Regards,

Tom

Tom,

You are not alone with this error. Many people have done the very same thing. Some dishes are not well marked and sometimes if they are well marked (a red or black painted line on that leading edge of the metal) it may be so faded that you miss it. So don't feel too bad about this mistake.

Radar
 
I was using the lock-down bolt to center on the primitive elevation scale. I didn't realize you look through the scale slot and use the edge of the piece of metal behind the slot.
That's why I like these....no guessing here!
 

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