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chiodo

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especially with the increase in dish prices.

This is the reason for disputes, Dish is trying to keep their prices down. I think broadcasters have to realize that people are sick of disputes and greed and are willing to just cut the cord.
 
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especially with the increase in dish prices.

This is the reason for disputes, Dish is trying to keep their prices down. I think broadcasters have to realize that people are sick of disputes and greed and are willing to just cut the cord.

Total BS..........if that is the case, whey do they raise prices every year. If they are under contract, their cost doesn't increase, yet the customer's go up, especially the fees
 

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Total BS..........if that is the case, whey do they raise prices every year. If they are under contract, their cost doesn't increase, yet the customer's go up, especially the fees

So you think the retransmission fees are their only cost?
Don't think stuff like utilities are increasing for them?
Wages, employee benefits, facilities construction and maintenance are all increasing.

And they give in to small increases all the time, which do add up.

These disputes are over large increases.
 

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especially with the increase in dish prices.

This is the reason for disputes, Dish is trying to keep their prices down. I think broadcasters have to realize that people are sick of disputes and greed and are willing to just cut the cord.

But how much lower could they keep the costs if they didn't increase their STB fees, which the broadcasters don't get a cut of, or spend billions of dollars buying spectrum that they've yet to put to a good use?
 

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But how much lower could they keep the costs if they didn't increase their STB fees, which the broadcasters don't get a cut of, or spend billions of dollars buying spectrum that they've yet to put to a good use?

Touché.


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So you think the retransmission fees are their only cost?
Don't think stuff like utilities are increasing for them?
Wages, employee benefits, facilities construction and maintenance are all increasing.

And they give in to small increases all the time, which do add up.

These disputes are over large increases.

I think the point is that Dish price increases are the same each year as everyone else so the perception is that the disputes are not truly saving anyone any money.


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But how much lower could they keep the costs if they didn't increase their STB fees, which the broadcasters don't get a cut of, or spend billions of dollars buying spectrum that they've yet to put to a good use?

Those fees cover the increases other than programming.

How much higher would the costs be if Dish didn't fight the increases?

But my receiver fees have been the same since at least 2011 when I got them. $7 for the 2nd and 3rd (and some of that time 4th) receiver.
So I don't see any increasing box fees.
 

STDog

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I think the point is that Dish price increases are the same each year as everyone else so the perception is that the disputes are not truly saving anyone any money.

I'll have to look for old bills. I don't recall my cost changing much in the last 5 years.
 

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Those fees cover the increases other than programming.

But my receiver fees have been the same since at least 2011 when I got them. $7 for the 2nd and 3rd (and some of that time 4th) receiver.
So I don't see any increasing box fees.
You mean those increases don't go to increasing Dish's increase in profits? From the 2nd quarter results:

Net income attributable to DISH Network totaled $410 million for the second quarter 2016, compared with $324 million from the year-ago quarter.

That increase of $86,000,000 in their profit compared to last year's second quarter came from somewhere.
 
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STDog

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I think 2016 so far have seen the most disputes on record.

Unsure. I haven't noticed any. I was on a local station's web site to read a news story when I say their notice. That led me to look into the Tribune dispute.

It's the local CBS station and all I watch from CBS is NCIS which is between seasons.
 

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I think the point is that Dish price increases are the same each year as everyone else so the perception is that the disputes are not truly saving anyone any money.


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While people like the 'perception is reality' mode of thinking, it isn't always true.

Dish's efforts to keep those programming costs down may or may not be working, we don't actually know. But if they are, there would be some effect on others having to make those same contracts.

If this Raycom Media crap comes through I lose 2 local channels. I'll hate that but not nearly as much as I would hate it during the Prime season when something worth watching might be on. Unfortunately the 2 stations I lose are the 2 I can't get OTA. :(

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STDog

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You mean those increases don't go to increasing Dish's increase in profits? From the 2nd quarter results:

That increase of $86,000,000 in their profit compared to last year's second quarter came from somewhere.

The customers moving to more profitable packages?
Less expenses than expected in other areas?

Large corporations like this have very complex balance sheets.

Even the smaller public company I worked for had revenue (and thus profit) from sources other than the main business line.
 

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I'll have to look for old bills. I don't recall my cost changing much in the last 5 years.
Well, I already know Hopper fees went from $7-15 in the past 5 years.

February 08 Top 250 was $54.99
It's now $89.99.

I don't know what the price was in 2011.

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While people like the 'perception is reality' mode of thinking, it isn't always true.

Dish's efforts to keep those programming costs down may or may not be working, we don't actually know. But if they are, there would be some effect on others having to make those same contracts.

I said similar elsewhere earlier.

The big increase Raycom tried in 2013 that Dish balked at meant the others never were presented with the higher numbers. They started in the ballpark that Dish defined for them.

The same is likely with Tribune. What ever Dish agrees to will lead to similar agreement with others without the protracted negotiations.
 

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The prices continue to rise with all MVPDs and there is only so much pushback that can happen. Good on the OP for considering cutting the cord. Enough people need to do it if the conglomerates are ever going to take notice.

That said, as we have seen from the Flex pack and other choices about to be made available, these tough negotiations aren't just about price.
 

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The prices continue to rise with all MVPDs and there is only so much pushback that can happen. Good on the OP for considering cutting the cord. Enough people need to do it if the conglomerates are ever going to take notice.

That said, as we have seen from the Flex pack and other choices about to be made available, these tough negotiations aren't just about price.
I'll agree with that, Clearly it's not just about price.

But these efforts certainly aren't helping dish in keeping or adding customers.

They can Flex package all they want, people already have their mind made up about DISH and their "here today gone tomorrow " channel tactics.
I don't see Flex pack helping what's already done.
There is always going to be that level of thinking that even though it might be cheaper, but you'll never know if your favorite network is safe.

And It's hard to recommend a company, that doesn't carry the 6 main locals in many markets.






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STDog

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Well, I already know Hopper fees went from $7-15 in the past 5 years.

The cost of having the latest tech. ;)

I lived on the cutting edge for a while, even the bleeding edge a bit.
Definitely lost it's allure.

I had a non-fee DVR (501) too. Till it wasn't. That why I changed to my current setup (ViP211/k).
At some point I expect Dish will decide I should be paying more for the DVR just like they did with the 50x/510.

But it hasn't been an annual increase in fees. Not even the Hopper has. It was what, 2 increases to get there?

But tell me, what do other providers charger for a "whole home" HD DVR?


You don't have to pay the hopper fees. You choose to for the convenience the Hopper provides.
 
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