Sick of the Disputes

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So right now I don’t have ABC, NFL Network, FSN Ohio, FSN Cincy, HBO, etc. When does it end? Getting real close to jumping ship.

In order to be able to provide you with your programming, we must have agreements in place with channel owners. We work day in and day out to make sure there are standing agreements in place so your service is not interrupted. When contracts come up for expiration, we work for new deals that guarantee you'll have your channels for a long time to come.

However, sometimes these channel owners try to force us into unreasonable contract terms - such as extreme rate increases that we cannot agree to. At DISH, we constantly work to bring you programming at a great value.

What is your zip code so that we can look into this for you?
 

DawgDeputy

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Feb 1, 2009
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In order to be able to provide you with your programming, we must have agreements in place with channel owners. We work day in and day out to make sure there are standing agreements in place so your service is not interrupted. When contracts come up for expiration, we work for new deals that guarantee you'll have your channels for a long time to come.

However, sometimes these channel owners try to force us into unreasonable contract terms - such as extreme rate increases that we cannot agree to. At DISH, we constantly work to bring you programming at a great value.

What is your zip code so that we can look into this for you?
Dish blames the channel owners for pulling the channels, the channel owners blame Dish, and the paying customers get screwed. I‘d just like to hear the truth!
 

dishdude

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Sep 7, 2003
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My brother in law works for a Scripps station and told me they make more off retrans fees than advertising. With cord cutting, they're looking to make up that revenue with higher fees. I'm shocked retrans fees are even allowed, why should we have to pay because they don't have enough repeaters to cover the entire DMA?
 

eddie willers

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My brother in law works for a Scripps station and told me they make more off retrans fees than advertising. With cord cutting, they're looking to make up that revenue with higher fees. I'm shocked retrans fees are even allowed, why should we have to pay because they don't have enough repeaters to cover the entire DMA?
And they whined for years about "must carry". Since they receive these frequencies "for free" (in the public interest :rolleyes ) from the FCC, I will, for once, recommend that regulators step in. They can't have it both ways.
 

crodrules

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Jun 14, 2014
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My brother in law works for a Scripps station and told me they make more off retrans fees than advertising. With cord cutting, they're looking to make up that revenue with higher fees. I'm shocked retrans fees are even allowed, why should we have to pay because they don't have enough repeaters to cover the entire DMA?
I hear you. If they would put more repeaters here in Mansfield, Ohio then the entire Cleveland DMA would be covered, and I could enjoy getting all of my networks OTA for free. As it is, I have to put up with unreliable OTA reception for the distant (in-market) stations that do come in, and the only repeater we have is for an out-of-market PBS station from Columbus.
 

NorCal Joe

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And they whined for years about "must carry". Since they receive these frequencies "for free" (in the public interest :rolleyes ) from the FCC, I will, for once, recommend that regulators step in. They can't have it both ways.
Here's what i suggest. Get rid of those designated market area's. I would like see DISH's lawyers take it as far as the SCOTUS. If DISH and it's customer's must pay for local programing, then I as the consumer, should have the ability to choose whatever the hell local I'd like to watch, even if it's on the other side of the continent. I had two choices when DISH originally started offering network programing. The west coast feed that came out of LA and the east coast that came out of NY. I took both! Was able to watch Leno 3 hours earlier and go to bed earlier. Then the local network broadcasters started bitching that this was cutting into their market. Translation, it was lowering their bottom line due to the fact that their ad revenue was sinking. They bought off some off the regulators and congress to get their so-called DMA's. Yeah, where is that in the public interest, since where I'm located, I can't receive anything OTA?
 

tspangle

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Nov 10, 2008
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I'm sure the truth is in the middle, like it usually is. But the way I look at it, Dish now has open disputes with HBO (Time Warner), the Fox RSNs (Sinclair), NFL Network (NFL), and now various locals (Scripps). The common denominator with all four of those disputes is Dish.

I know everyone has channel disputes, but nobody has as many, or as long-lasting, as Dish. How long has it been since HBO went away, a year or more? I know they are "fighting to keep prices low." They love to portray themselves as the customer's friend, but the reality is that they are a for-profit corporation just like all the companies they are in disputes with. All of them are doing what they can to maximize their revenue. There's nothing wrong with that, but as a consumer, I have to decide what best meets my needs. For years it's been Dish, but not anymore. It doesn't matter how low their prices are if they don't carry the channels I want. I'm fortunate enough to live in an area with choices and be almost to the end of my contract.

I'm making the call tomorrow morning.
 
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NorCal Joe

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I'm sure the truth is in the middle, like it usually is. But the way I look at it, Dish now has open disputes with HBO (Time Warner), the Fox RSNs (Sinclair), NFL Network (NFL), and now various locals (Scripps). The common denominator with all four of those disputes is Dish.

I know everyone has channel disputes, but nobody has as many, or as long-lasting, as Dish. How long has it been since HBO went away, a year or more? I know they are "fighting to keep prices low." They love to portray themselves as the customer's friend, but the reality is that they are a for-profit corporation just like all the companies they are in disputes with. All of them are doing what they can to maximize their revenue. There's nothing wrong with that, but as a consumer, I have to decide what best meets my needs. For years it's been Dish, but not anymore. It doesn't matter how low their prices are if they don't carry the channels I want. I'm fortunate enough to live in an area with choices and be almost to the end of my contract.

I'm making the call tomorrow morning.
So where are you going, if I may ask?
 

Joe h

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Jun 16, 2018
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I’m paying Hulu ~$60 just for fox sports north, I also bought the Hulu/espn+/Disney+ bundle for $5 more, just so I have some extra content out of the deal. Dish gets $134 from me, 250 pack and I have showtime/starz/movie pack on $5 promos, which I will immediately cancel if they ever want more than $5. So really, I’m more than willing to pay $50 for the regional sports channels. Hulu is just unstable and lags a good 20 seconds.
 
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crodrules

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Hey crodrules, do you really think HBO/AT&T negotiated fairly? ...
Well, since you're asking me...
No, of course HBO/AT&T do not negotiate fairly. However, that date in Dish history also stands out in my mind for a couple of other reasons. Not only did we lose HBO and Cinemax, but that is also when Dish shut down the Hopper Arcade app that I used to enjoy playing on my Wally. The other reason I remember that date is not something that affected regular subscribers, but as a former Beta tester, I can tell you that is when the YouTube and YouTube Kids apps disappeared from testing on the Hopper Duo, never to return. So, all in all, that came as a huge slap in the face all at once.

... How long will it be before DISH calls it quits?
When the last SatelliteGuy finally cancels Dish service, that is when Dish can turn off the lights. Hopefully, that will not happen for a long, long time to come.
 

HipKat

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Aug 25, 2017
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Dish blames the channel owners for pulling the channels, the channel owners blame Dish, and the paying customers get screwed. I‘d just like to hear the truth!
The truth is that if Dish pays what the Networks want, they'll A, make it up in our bills and B, get held hostage by every owner when their contracts expire. Welcome to Greed 2020
 

mwdxer1

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Nov 3, 2015
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So right now I don’t have ABC, NFL Network, FSN Ohio, FSN Cincy, HBO, etc. When does it end? Getting real close to jumping ship.
I wish the FCC would have never allowed OTA TV stations to charge. After all if the person is lucky enough to get an OTA signal, those channels are free. They should have stayed free on cable & satellite. If so, the greed from the TV corporations would not be an issue. It is especially bad during COVID. These TV Corps do not have much of a heart. Sometimes, I wonder why anyone would watch them.
 

mwdxer1

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Nov 3, 2015
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My brother in law works for a Scripps station and told me they make more off retrans fees than advertising. With cord cutting, they're looking to make up that revenue with higher fees. I'm shocked retrans fees are even allowed, why should we have to pay because they don't have enough repeaters to cover the entire DMA?
Totally agree. An OTA station should be able to make it off advertising. There sure are plenty of ads. Some feel that OTA TV will be paid some day. If that happens I am through watching it.
 

Ypsiguy

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Jul 5, 2019
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Just wait until the broadcasters fully implement ATSC 3.0’s conditional access system. That is how they are going to replace the lost retransmission fees.

Each station will probably have a overcompressed 480i “barker” channel playing just weather and local news. The rest will be pay TV.
 

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