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Message: [QUOTE="DialgaChampion, post: 4671961, member: 196872"] This is incorrect. Paramount+ may be making money, but not because of shows like Discovery and Picard. These shows are actually losing CBS money because the majority of the fans (customers) are not invested in them. If anything, they're one-and-done series with no rerun value, unlike the pre-2009 Star Trek shows, all of which are still airing in reruns on linear tv to this day. Each episode of Discovery/Picard costs $8-10 million to produce and they're not making any ROI. If you've been keeping up with what has been happening these past few years, especially behind the scenes in terms of producing these shows, you would know that. All the evidence points to these shows being failures from a business standpoint: from Netflix funding the entirety of Discovery Season 1, to then splitting the cost with CBS for Seasons 2 and 3, to now having completely gotten out of their Star Trek contract with CBS and Kurtzman altogether. They wouldn't have done so if the shows were so lucrative and successful. Even when Discovery Season 1 aired on CBS' actual tv network last year, it was barely pulling in 2 million viewers an episode according to Nielsen, and that was the first time Episodes 2-onward had been aired on linear tv in the U.S. Any other show costing that much money to produce and delivering such low viewership numbers would be cancelled immediately and moved to the Saturday night death slot, especially if airing on a major broadcast network. Then you have CBS All Access rebranding to Paramount+. If Discovery and Picard, their flagship series, were so successful for All Access, it wouldn't have been necessary to rebrand. Merchanise/toy sales have also been tanking and you'll be hardpressed to find any toy characters based on the newer series because most Trek fans only want action figures from the classic series (i.e. the newer characters are not memorable). By the way, Netflix had right of first refusal for the Picard series, yet they passed on it based off the poor viewership numbers for Discovery, which is why Picard went to Amazon instead for a much lower fee. And Amazon doesn't seem too happy right now either, from the Picard Season 1 viewership numbers. There's speculation that the only reason these shows are still airing and being renewed is because of outside investors (i.e. certain billionaires) who are helping to fund the production anonymously, for no reason other than to keep the "message" and political views/narratives in front of people's eyes. Kurtzman already admitted in an interview a while ago that they're using the new Star Trek shows as a political platform, so as long as they continue to do that, these investors (whose political goals align with those of CBS and Kurtzman) are fine with throwing their money away at them. [/QUOTE]

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