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harshness

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Haven't used it, because I really don't like to setup my pc to stream (prefer not to bog it down), but the Tivo Bolt does have a Plex app.
Plex isn't really designed to run on your daily driver (though it will). It is built around being run on something that's no longer in daily use which quite a home computer users few have.

Plex won't replace a streamer and that's where TiVo has an advantage with its modest streaming app library.
 

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But this week at CES 2020, a Ted Malone, VP of products and services for TiVo, conceded that apps for OTT players are no where close to being deployed.
Thats perhaps one of those "talk is cheap" moments. Maybe TiVo has finally realized that the streamer hardware companies don't provide the apps (although some provide a pretty slick framework); the content server (TiVo and their whole home DVR) is largely responsible for that.
 

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Thats perhaps one of those "talk is cheap" moments. Maybe TiVo has finally realized that the streamer hardware companies don't provide the apps (although some provide a pretty slick framework); the content server (TiVo and their whole home DVR) is largely responsible for that.

And again if smaller companies like Tablo and Silicon Dust can do it, there is no reason Rovi/Tivo should not be able to.


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And again if smaller companies like Tablo and Silicon Dust can do it, there is no reason Rovi/Tivo should not be able to.
Are you really comparing apples to apples here? Tablo and Silicon Dust don't need to concern themselves with such nasty details as digital rights management (raised when streaming apps are added to the DVR). Where TiVo goes over an above the typical OTA DVR is perhaps a whole different level of complexity and coordination.

Tablo has three DVR models (DUAL, QUAD and 4-Tuner) and that probably have a great deal in common from a hardware API perspective and Silicon Dust has two (Scribe DUO, Scribe Quatro) which look awfully similar on the outside. Tablo is also advertising DVR software and guide service for the nVIDIA Shield TV as a DVR but I suspect that may have been a short putt if the Tablo units are based on Android or Android TV.
 

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Are you really comparing apples to apples here? Tablo and Silicon Dust don't need to concern themselves with such nasty details as digital rights management (raised when streaming apps are added to the DVR). Where TiVo goes over an above the typical OTA DVR is perhaps a whole different level of complexity and coordination.

What does all that have to do with my amazement that Tivo cannot create a app to turn it into a Whole Home DVR like they said they were going to last year.

And how do you know that the Tablo does not have a higher level of complexity and coordination, have you ever tried one?


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What does all that have to do with my amazement that Tivo cannot create a app to turn it into a Whole Home DVR like they said they were going to last year.
How is it not a whole home DVR? Ever since the mini's came out they've been that with their 4-tuner DVR's.
 
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How is it not a whole home DVR? Ever since the mini's came out they've been that with their 4-tuner DVR's.
It is, I think he was talking about the app they said was coming for Roku and the like that would let that function as your extra box in some capacity.
 

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It is, I think he was talking about the app they said was coming for Roku and the like that would let that function as your extra box in some capacity.

Correct, one box plugged into my router, reaches every room as long as you have a Roku, Fire TV or Apple, Tablet, phone, Computer.

Just hit the app and get OTA tuner/DVR and that was what I was posting on, Tivo’s inability to provide what they promised in 2019.


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I have my TIVO not only for whole Home with the Mini Vox. But also the TIVO can stream any of my DVR recordings and Live TV to my iphone and ipad. The App also allows the use of the iphone to be a remote control when at home. I can select either my Home Theater or my Kitchen TV Mini Vox as the streaming source. Between the TIVO App and FuboTV App what ever I can see at home I can see now while away from home if the internet connection is fast enough. Using that and my airpods I can watch pretty much anything at home or when traveling.

I'll bet other systems have this too, just that TIVO also has it. New stuff, so many options, I doubt I'll ever use or discover it all.

So Bruce what is it that you claim TIVO can't do?
 

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Correct, one box plugged into my router, reaches every room as long as you have a Roku, Fire TV or Apple, Tablet, phone, Computer.

Just hit the app and get OTA tuner/DVR and that was what I was posting on, Tivo’s inability to provide what they promised in 2019.


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Yeah that was one feature I was looking forward to as well. I didnt feel like running cable or ethernet to the other tvs and I already had the rokus and fire tvs. Not a huge deal, but it would have been nice had they followed through. Got a feeling that it wasnt coming though when there was the announcement and then basically nothing else said.
 

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What does all that have to do with my amazement that Tivo cannot create a app to turn it into a Whole Home DVR like they said they were going to last year.
You probably wouldn't be amazed if you were knew that it took over five years for TiVo to come up with a DVR for Comcast and that DIRECTV's THR22, announced in 2008 and based on the soon-to-be-replaced HR22, was introduced two years after (2011) DIRECTV had released their HR23 DVR (2009).
And how do you know that the Tablo does not have a higher level of complexity and coordination, have you ever tried one?
Does having used or even owning a Tablo make one intimately familiar with what goes on under the hood between the DVR and the streamer? [rhetorical question]

I pointed out that Tablo probably doesn't need to concern themselves with DRM. In that likely case, one huge aspect of making the connection is off the table entirely.

TiVo wouldn't be TiVo without a considerable amount of "special sauce" that you don't find in the open source based DVRs. IIRC, Silicon Dust contracted out some (or all) of the software for clients (like the discontinued signal strength app). You can do that if you're not concerned about having others getting their hands on your recipe. TiVo probably spends more money annually on court costs in trying to protect their IP than Tablo has annual revenues.
 

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Send the signal to your TV without the need of a Mini via a app on a Roku, Fire, Apple.
Perhaps you're looking at this through Tablo tinted glasses. The Tablo requires streaming for all viewers. TiVo takes one of those connections off your network by using an HDMI cable to deliver HDR UHD with Dolby Atmos audio. This may make the difference in the event that your network is comprised of MoCA or slower Wi-fi connected devices.
 

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Perhaps you're looking at this through Tablo tinted glasses. The Tablo requires streaming for all viewers. TiVo takes one of those connections off your network by using an HDMI cable to deliver HDR UHD with Dolby Atmos audio. This may make the difference in the event that your network is comprised of MoCA or slower Wi-fi connected devices.

Not a issue in my house, we have 2 routers, one upstairs in bridge mode and just bought myself a new router for the basement, but the 2 main TVs are wired, but I never have a issue with Wi-Fi.

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Send the signal to your TV without the need of a Mini via a app on a Roku, Fire, Apple.




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I still don't understand. Maybe the Roku or Fire can't do it but I'm doing it with my iphone and ipad. Just install the TIVO app from the app store and log in. Then activate the features you want. What you see on the iphone is the channel guide just like local TIVO or bring up the Home screen and your DVR recordings and watch them. What is not working for you using your iphone? I don't know what the Roku or Fire can or can't do but it seems to me they would need an app. I understand there is an app for android phones as well.

The TIVO is not a broadcast transmitter so you have to use either the internet, ethernet, wifi, or the MoCA TIVO system plus an app to see TIVO the same as any other video content. On a computer you log into the website with your account. Are you insisting that TIVO offer a broadcast TV transmitter to see content on a TV channel without the networks already offered?
 

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I don't know what the Roku or Fire can or can't do but it seems to me they would need an app. I understand there is an app for android phones as well.
That is what he means Don. Tivo does not offer an app for those devices (and other streaming STBs), and even after saying it was coming, they still cant seem to make any headway in making it a reality.
 

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Yeah that was one feature I was looking forward to as well. I didnt feel like running cable or ethernet to the other tvs and I already had the rokus and fire tvs. Not a huge deal, but it would have been nice had they followed through.
The MOCA feature allowed me not to run any wires. I just used the coax that was already ran to every room.
 

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Send the signal to your TV without the need of a Mini via a app on a Roku, Fire, Apple.
How is that any different than a mini? It's still a piece of hardware plugged into the tv's hdmi port.

Unless the tv has roku built in, it's pretty much the same type of implementation.

To Don's point, a tivo can stream to an iphone/ipad (as well as android) that is either on the same network or even through the internet. So if your tv can install android apps, then no hardware would be needed. So again, what difference is there?

I've used the iphone app, as well as the PC app to stream recordings when on business travel.


 

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How is that any different than a mini? It's still a piece of hardware plugged into the tv's hdmi port.

Unless the tv has roku built in, it's pretty much the same type of implementation.
To me it’s different (or would have been a plus) because I already have Rokus at the tvs. I’d have had to buy minis. I would imagine many are far more likely to have rokus laying about than minis .
 

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. So if your tv can install android apps, then no hardware would be needed. So again, what difference is there?

I've used the iphone app, as well as the PC app to stream recordings when on business travel.



interesting. I’ve got a shield, I’m going to have to try that and see how well it works.
 

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