I got one and it didn't work for the channel I wanted.They are offering a free OTA antenna though. I'll give it a try.
I got one and it didn't work for the channel I wanted.They are offering a free OTA antenna though. I'll give it a try.
Without taking the pedantic tone of your post, I'll just clarify that it was not until 1999 that LIL was permitted (an "historical fact" as you like to call them. Sorry, I did promise none of your pedantic, pseudo-authoritative attitude. Won't happen again). Local into Local (LIL) was not legal until 1999 (Also the Intellectual Property and Communications Reform Act of 1999 was key to making LIL possible and economical for DBS who still fight to this day to preserve what that Act permits; broadcasters want to kill it).I never remember EchoStar having a receiver with an ATSC tuner before LIL came about. Dish Network launched LIL in late 1997 in Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Denver, New York, and Washington DC on EchoStar 3 (61.5). WRAL launched the first experimental digital broadcast station on June 19, 1996, so there wasn't even any ATSC/HD television available to anyone, nor much if any equipment, for all practical purposes, before Dish launched their LIL service. That particular theory doesn't seem to hold water based on the historical facts. I believe their first HD receiver was the Model 6000 and it had an option for an ATSC tuner, and was released well after the date that LIL was being offered.
Same lolI got one and it didn't work for the channel I wanted.
Without taking the pedantic tone of your post, I'll just clarify that it was not until 1999 that LIL was permitted (an "historical fact" as you like to call them. Sorry, I did promise none of your pedantic, pseudo-authoritative attitude. Won't happen again). Local into Local (LIL) was not legal until 1999 (Also the Intellectual Property and Communications Reform Act of 1999 was key to making LIL possible and economical for DBS who still fight to this day to preserve what that Act permits; broadcasters want to kill it).
What preceded LIL was the authorization to allow DBS to re-transmit select local stations (often Owned and Operated by each of the big 4 broadcast nets) in, at least, each time zone of the continental United States (there were a few time zones that had more than one city available such to accommodate regions within a time-zone), which are some of the stations in the year you've cited in your reply. I believe those were termed as Distant Nets. This allowed DBS subscribers to watch big 4 net programming in their time zone, but ONLY from a few of the allowed O&O's, which meant if you were in San Diego, you got your big 4 nets from the Los Angeles station. If you lived in Milwaukee, you got your big 4 content from the Chicago stations. The now defunct WB and UPN networks were offered in the SuperStations pack.
LIL meaning DBS was allowed to re-transmit ANY local station back into its originating DMA ONLY (exceptions for the Distant Nets). Hence the term Local into Local or LIL. This meant that DBS could offer locals stations in every city they wished (provided re-transmission agreements). Later in 2002 (or thereabouts) DBS was required to carry ALL locals in any DMA that they currently carried any local stations (known as Must Carry) provided an agreement for re-transmission or if a station opted for "Must Carry" status.
Now, I could be wrong in that I seem to remember the 811 (or its predecessor?) having been manufactured (but perhaps not sold?) before LIL was authorized and that the point to the OTA/ATSC tuner was because Dish could NOT provide every subscribers local station as it does today. Further, the OTA ATSC tuner did use PSIP because Dish was not providing guide data for the vast majority of stations that it could not legally re-transmit. In other words, the OTA ATSC using PSIP was seen as a necessary feature to allow subs back then to view their local stations in HD WITH EPG data using PSIP.
The point of the my post to which you have replied is that there was a time when Dish felt the need to provide PSIP as the primary (if not only?) way of providing EPG data for its early HD boxes. Since LIL, Dish seems to have made a business decisions to just not bother with PSIP because of PSIP's limitations compared to the rich, detailed, metadata provided by Tribune (now Gracenote) up to 9 days because it would include the local stations data with the same enhanced experience when using Search or other features that depend upon detailed metadata. PSIP would not allow us to include our locals 9 days out nor give us the results in some features that detailed metadata can as it does for the pay channels.
Any clarifications in polite, conversational, chat, coffee klatch tone are welcome. After all, these are billed as "Friendly Forums" on the home page. If one fancies himself a Professor, please let us know of the required credentials. Daring to claim something as an "historical fact" and then find that is not so can be embarrassing and humiliating to the one making such a claim, and that is no fun for that person nor helpful in pursing whatever the "historical facts" may be. Let's dispense with the negativity and popinjay attitudes and contribute in a manner where we are all peers and treat each other as if we were seated inches or a few feet from each other, together at a table sharing some great coffee. That makes for a "Friendly Forum" as advertised on the home page.
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Did you live in a area where you couldn't get a, what was it, "Grade B" signal? I used to get PT24 E&W and Netlink's Denver 5 and the A3 they had for a while (I would swap between PT24 and Netlink) when I had TVRO. I always was considered to live in an area where you couldn't get I believe it was at least a Grade B, I forget how that used to be. Wasn't very hard back in that time with the C-Band programmers.In 1998 I was getting New York, Los Angeles, and San Francisco ( my actual locals) channels. I paid extra for NY and LA but I loved it....
No, I love in an area that I get local channel off of my rooftop antenna. Things were different back in 1998 with Dish. Basically you could get anything you wanted, locals wise.... Of course, there were not a lot of locals available then, just some major cities.Did you live in a area where you couldn't get a, what was it, "Grade B" signal? I used to get PT24 E&W and Netlink's Denver 5 and the A3 they had for a while (I would swap between PT24 and Netlink) when I had TVRO. I always was considered to live in an area where you couldn't get I believe it was at least a Grade B, I forget how that used to be. Wasn't very hard back in that time with the C-Band programmers.
No, I love in an area that I get local channel off of my rooftop antenna. Things were different back in 1998 with Dish. Basically you could get anything you wanted, locals wise.... Of course, there were not a lot of locals available then, just some major cities.
Actually I wasn't in the Bay Area back in the Summer of Love, 1967. I was in upstate NY. I moved to LA in late '67. I moved to my present location in 1981. There is still lots of love in SF but not the kind that interests me so much...San Francisco and an area you love in Eh Bobby? I know you were around for the 60's so...
YEH!! Airplane, Dead, Quicksilver, Big Brother, Moby...and on......San Francisco and an area you love in Eh Bobby? I know you were around for the 60's so...
Well thank you young man!Lol. Just busting your balls Bobby. I got a lot of respect for you sir.
Actually I wasn't in the Bay Area back in the Summer of Love, 1967. I was in upstate NY. I moved to LA in late '67. I moved to my present location in 1981. There is still lots of love in SF but not the kind that interests me so much...Mind you I have many friends and acquaintances of that persuasion....
No, but if I still lived in the area in 1969 I would have been close. I worked in Poughkeepsie before moving west in '67. Now, I was at the Newport Rock festivals in 1968 in Orange County and Northridge in 1969.... Northridge was very much a warmup for Woodstock a little later in the year.Woodstock in '69? Maybe I saw you there.
No, but if I still lived in the area in 1969 I would have been close. I worked in Poughkeepsie before moving west in '67. Now, I was at the Newport Rock festivals in 1968 in Orange County and Northridge in 1969.... Northridge was very much a warmup for Woodstock a little later in the year.
That's why I referred to you as a young man. You are young enough to be my grandson!I think my dad was just being born... I should really backdate the math... He is 52
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