Using (EA) DPH LNB with VIP222K

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Thanks 'HIPKAT'. Things are starting to get more clearer. Can you answer my post from earlier: Would it be possible to take Port 1 of a (WA) DPH and connect it to the input Port of a (EA) DPH and then take Port 1 and run it into a separator for my VIP222K two tuner inputs? That way I can utilize 4 satellites. I just want to use newer technology outside equipment, that's why DPH's.
I think that would work, actually, giving you all 5 sats, but I don't know for sure. I'd like to try it and see what happens sometime. Your better bet would be not using the DPH, which I assume you want for the input, but running a cable from an EA DPP to the input on the WA DPP
Wow; that is not in my memory. I have never heard of any LNB/switch combo of any type taking anything other than a single DP LNB on it's input port. Have you ever done that?
 
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That Adapter mod is really a damage mod since you have to cut off tabs that were never meant to be cut off to fit a bracket that wasn't meant to be with that LNBF
There's only one tab that gets cut off. One tab that serves no other purpose than to limit installations to only the the LNBF's made for that model dish. Since the 1000.2 EA dual LNBF's receive a stronger signal than the 1000.4 EA triple LNBF, and the 77 sat is no longer active for EA CONUS service, I don't feel guilty at all about making the minor mod needed to the plastic adapter to fit the 1000.2 LNBF's to my 1000.4 dish. I did mine with a standard utility knife.
 
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Wow; that is not in my memory. I have never heard of any LNB/switch combo of any type taking anything other than a single DP LNB on it's input port. Have you ever done that?
No, that's why I said I'd like to try it. It would be cool if it did!
 
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There's only one tab that gets cut off. One tab that serves no other purpose than to limit installations to only the the LNBF's made for that model dish. Since the 1000.2 EA dual LNBF's receive a stronger signal than the 1000.4 EA triple LNBF, and the 77 sat is no longer active for EA CONUS service, I don't feel guilty at all about making the minor mod needed to the plastic adapter to fit the 1000.2 LNBF's to my 1000.4 dish. I did mine with a standard utility knife.
Fact is, the 1004 Dish is larger and the spacing on the "eyes" of the 1000.4 LNBF are wider than on the 1000.2
 
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Fact is, the 1004 Dish is larger and the spacing on the "eyes" of the 1000.4 LNBF are wider than on the 1000.2
And the larger feedhorns on the 1000.2 EA LNBF collect more signal than the 1000.4 EA LNBF. If I recall, the 1000.4 arm is slightly longer than the 1000.2 arm, giving the LNBF's more reflector area to collect the signals from as well. The spacing is less critical than the angle the "eyes" are aimed at the parabolic reflector.
 
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I think that would work, actually, giving you all 5 sats, but I don't know for sure. I'd like to try it and see what happens sometime. Your better bet would be not using the DPH, which I assume you want for the input, but running a cable from an EA DPP to the input on the WA DPP
I tried to connect the port one from an eastern arc dpp lnb to the input lnb on a western arc dish using vip222k yrs ago and doesn't work..At least on dpp..You can't cascade two lnb switches..single lnb only on the input with dpp..
 
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And the larger feedhorns on the 1000.2 EA LNBF collect more signal than the 1000.4 EA LNBF. If I recall, the 1000.4 arm is slightly longer than the 1000.2 arm, giving the LNBF's more reflector area to collect the signals from as well. The spacing is less critical than the angle the "eyes" are aimed at the parabolic reflector.
The feedhorns are not larger or if they are, the two I just compared are very difficult to tell and the spacing of the feeds and distance of the "eyes" from the Reflector are by design on both dishes. Like I said, if it was, I would do the same thing, but as a tech, it's damaging equipment to make something fit that wasn't meant to be
 
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Are you really claiming the feed horns on these two LNBF's are the same size???

1k4 dish 1K2 EA LNBF


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On Western Arc, they are. Which is typically where I see .2 LNBS on .4 Dishes.
TBH, I haven't seen a .4 LNB since I worked in Buffalo in 2017
Yes, on the 1000.2 and the 1000.4 WA LNBF's, they are the same with just a slight difference in spacing. I thought it was clear I was referring to the EA LNBF's though. I have tested with a 1000.2 WA LNBF on my 1000.4 dish though, with no significant difference in signal levels. If I needed a replacement WA LNBF with no 1000.4 LNBF available, I wouldn't hesitate to use a 1000.2 LNBF.
 
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Starting a little bit of a ramble to answer some questions here.

Going to start with wondering what the OP wants to achieve here. His current setup, with mixed arc DPP LNB's and a DPP44 should be more then enough to feed even 4 222k's at the same time if he really wanted to, going DPH does allow single cable runs to each receiver from each Port with the use of a separator but so does DPP LNBF's. Unless the OP were going to a Hopper system (or a fleet of Wally's) changing the LNB's here does not make sense.

So, the DPH LNB port 1 can go to the DPP44 Sat input and use the two outputs on DPP44 go to the two tuners on the VIP222K? What about the separator?? Eventually want to keep the 4 satellites active using DPH LNB's on WA and EA dishes.
Before getting in deeper Ill add some context first. DPP and DPH LNB's have internal switches already. These switches allow connected receivers to use the same coax run for multiple satellites and tuners at the same time, two tuners per run in the case of DPP, and 16 tuners in the case of DPH. While a DPH LNB can feed a DPP44, it will not present all of the satellites with one cable alone because when connected to a switch both DPH/DPP LNB's disable their internal switch, effectively making them a DP single feed (In other words one satellite per wire). Each port on the LNB's feeds a different satellite, the order for port 1/2/3 on EA is 77(Rip, also not present on current EA LNBF's)/72/61.5 and WA it is 119/110/129. The WA DPH lacks a third output as well, making it only capable of feeding the first two (119/110) meaning that while it can work, it is not ideal compared to a WA DPP that has all three necessary outputs.

Once the DPP44 receives a valid DP signal (coming from either a DP Singl/Dble or DPP/DPH in DP mode) from each satellite you would like in your setup, it will create a DPP signal on each of its outputs containing said set of satellites. Each DPP feed is capable of serving two tuners with the use of a separator. No need for extra wires from the switch to the receiver, just one from switch to separator and then two cables from separator to each satellite input on the receiver, which should be how you have it wired now. To summarize, using DPH LNB's here will leave you with exactly what you had before, except with the added inability to get satellite 129, which seems to be a non-issue to you.

On a EA DPH LNB, what is Port 2 used for?
Port 2 does different things depending on what is plugged into port 1. Ill make a little table for your convenience:

Device on DPH Port #1.......will make DPH Port #2 output:
NothingA DPX/DPP/DP signal.
DPX/DPP/DP receiver (722/222/211/Hopper1-2 etc.)A DPX/DPP/DP signal.
DPH receiver (Hopper3/Duo/Wally)Disabled.
DPP/DPH switch (will always be 119 on WA or 72 on EA)DP signal (will always be 110 for WA and 61.5 for EA)

I'm also thinking of trying to using the input port of the EA DPH for the WA DPH LNB port 1 output.
Very. Bad. Idea.
You do not want to cascade multiple switches (in this case the internal switches on the LNB's) without the use if a power inserter, as the input port on the LNB's are only designed to feed a single DP horn (be it a Single or Double output). The excess power draw will eventually damage the LNB, or even worse, the receiver in the long run. For experimenting? Sure, but not on something you want in the long run. Also no real point to it, something I will get to latter.

Thanks 'HIPKAT'. Things are starting to get more clearer. Can you answer my post from earlier: Would it be possible to take Port 1 of a (WA) DPH and connect it to the input Port of a (EA) DPH and then take Port 1 and run it into a separator for my VIP222K two tuner inputs? That way I can utilize 4 satellites. I just want to use newer technology outside equipment, that's why DPH's.
I think that would work, actually, giving you all 5 sats, but I don't know for sure. I'd like to try it and see what happens sometime. Your better bet would be not using the DPH, which I assume you want for the input, but running a cable from an EA DPP to the input on the WA DPP
Nope, not happening. As previously mentioned, the DPP/DPH LNB's will run in DP mode while connected to another switch. The end result here would be, for example, a WA LNB able to get either 72 OR 61.5 on its input from the EA LNB, never both, not to mention my previous warning with running cascaded switches. The only semi-feasible way to get 5 satellites at a time is cascading a DP21 off of a DPP44. Hence where I got this nice picture:

IMG 1934

Never got around to actually attempting to get satellites in because I only have one tripod available, might try it one day with the roof mounted dish though.
 
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Never got around to actually attempting to get satellites in because I only have one tripod available, might try it one day with the roof mounted dish though.
I never have either and was curious about the switches interacting. Was an idea though!
 
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My EA and WA setup. As you can see trees in the window reflection
I deal with in the summer in satellite 119. I don't use 129. These dishes go to a DPP44 switch.
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My EA and WA setup. As you can see trees in the window reflection
I deal with in the summer in satellite 119. I don't use 129. These dishes go to a DPP44 switch.
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Haven't purchased WA Slimline DPH LNB just yet. Installed the EA DPH the other day into a separator feeding the two inputs on the VIP222K. Been looking at a WA Slimline DPH and noticed some have a red 'Dish' logo and others have a black 'Dish' logo on the back of the DPH. Anyone know what the difference is? One newer than the other?
 
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Haven't purchased WA Slimline DPH LNB just yet. Installed the EA DPH the other day into a separator feeding the two inputs on the VIP222K. Been looking at a WA Slimline DPH and noticed some have a red 'Dish' logo and others have a black 'Dish' logo on the back of the DPH. Anyone know what the difference is? One newer than the other?
There's no real difference
 
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