Conjuror said:
Sean man, let me correct you once again. We are not talking about subtracting and adding apples and oranges in kindergarten, it is not that simple. What we are talking about here is a taste. Can you not tell which one is sweeter? Sure you can. It's the same with PQ. You don't have to watch the same show to tell which picture is better, you just know it.
If this the method you are using to determine PQ, I am sure anyone who has done comparison of providers will laugh at such method. Go to AVSforum and ask the same question and anybody will tell you the same. You are not even close.
Conjuror said:
For example, look on the
Horrible PQ on tennis channel thread. All of you agreed that it looks worse than other channels but no one, including you, bothered to say "well, we can't compare apple and oranges, we have to watch the same show to say which one is better". Why? Because all of you simply know that the tennis channel is not as good as other channels and you don't have to watch the same show for that.
I have never denied that this channels - the Tennis Channel - did not look poor. I have confirmed the same. This one is so obvious as it is the sparks on other SD channels that you need no comparison. But if I was asked about HBO-SD on VOOM and HBO-SD on Dish, I would have to look at both sources with the same programming and at the same time because the differences may not be so obvious.
Conjuror said:
In fact, I remember you saying few times on other topics that there is nothing like HDNet. I highly doubt you needed to watch same two shows to figure that out. And I think you'll agree that HDNet is superior to any Voom's HD channel.
HDnet is not even superior to any Voom's HD channel in PQ but is even superior to Discover HD (on E* or D*), ESPN-HD (E* or D), HBO-HD (E* or D*), Show-HD (E* or D*). So what's the point? This is something that we know from the beginning. Do you want every single channel on VOOM to look like HDnet? You'll be waiting for a long time. Maybe you should bother Dish Network and DirecTv as well and please ask them to make ESPN-HD, HBO-HD, Show-HD, & Discovery-HD like HDnet as well.
Conjuror said:
That is what we should talk about here. High compression (Voom has it) is like a cancer - if you don't cut it of in its early stage it'll spread eventually everywhere. That is my worry about Voom - they are intentionally not matching PQ to HDNet just to be able to give us more channels. If that thinking spreads on other DBS providers then the HD revolution will disappear in 5-6 years.
Please ask Dish and DirecTv and my OTA HD channels affiliates to all look like HDnet because I agree with you everything in HD is a compression cancer when compare to HDnet.
Conjuror said:
I don't hate Voom. I will be Vooming until there is no better choice. However, all of us who are driving force on the DBS market, should demand the highest possible HD PQ everywhere. If we don't, they will use more and more compression for as long as we are not bitching about it. Therefore, I believe it is critical to complain now, in HD early stage, to force DBS providers to look after better compression techniques to give us more channels, not just to squeeze existing ones in order to make more room for new ones.
As I said before, you should become an advocate Not only for VOOM but please by all means ask dish to make Discovery HD, TNT-HD, Show-HD, HBO-HD, the same as HDnet. Not maybe you should ask them better to increase the mbps on every HD channel to the level of HDnet. I am sure they will get a good laugh about that.