Why do people bash Voom? It's great.

[David Dietzel]

I like Voom.

And chocolate.

And Al Franken.

And the 99-cent Chicken Sandwich at the Carl's Jr. drive thru window at 2 AM.

And if others find my likings disagreeable I couldn't care less.

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

Ok I see where he says more than 20 hrs per month per channel now....

Now should we say that HDnet Movies also suck because there is only 12-14 hrs new every month 1.6%

UHD I do not even want to think about how this one could be.

TNT HD has to be in less than 2%

ESPN is the less than 2%.

Which HD channel is in the 10-20% of new programming per month based on 720 hours. Can we find such a channel?

HDNET only shows 12-14 hrs new every month?

Where are you getting your numbers on any of this?

http://www.hd.net/movies_schedule_by_title.html#M0995

Shows 43 New movies in the next 30 days on HDNET Movies.

At 2 hours per movie (some shorter - some longer) that is 86 hours

Where do you even come close to 12-14?????

ESPN-HD showing sports isn't the same repeats month after month - I would bet that 98%+ of ESPN's shows are new each month.

Even StarzHD by my count had 19 movies this month that had NEVER been on StarzHD before (again 38 hours atleast).

Even with these numbers, HDNET Movies, ESPNHD and even StarzHD of all places has easily 20% of its programming a month in new material - as does HBO-HD, Showtime, Cinemax and the rest.

Counting the showing of the 43 New Movies in the next 30 days on HDNET Movies you see that they are shown roughly 151 time x 2 hours = 302 hours out of 720 hours is 1%????? Last I checked it was about 45%!!!!!!

So again, where are you coming up with these wildly low numbers?

Simply stated, Voom has the lowest number of new programming per month of any of the HD Channels (and probably the lowest of most SD Channels).

Low number of new=repeats!!!!!!

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

Heck, which SD channel is 10-20% new per month?

Virtually all of them.

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

Really! Count them per month and please do not count sportcenter as new programming...

p.s. even if that was to be true it is only 5% of new programming per month out of 720 hours. Which proofs exactly the point that to judge a channel new programming hours based on 720 hours per month is quite useless.

Have you watched this channel to realize they show current Sports - not Sports from 6 months ago?

We arent talking about ESPN Classics.

 

[Pakbackr]

Just became an E* customer last Saturday, so I haven't had time to watch a lot of Voom channels yet, but one that has really caught my eye is RAVE. This concert and music channel is awesome! So far, I have watched two different Phil Collins concerts and a Sea concert which were terrific. Much better than anything I ever had on D*'s HD lineup.

 

[cebbigh]

I like Voom. It's like a backup plan when I run out of other HD. Because I don't use it all the time the repeats don't bother me. The older I get the less I notice the repeats. And the longer I go between eyeglass prescriptions the less I care about the resolution.

 

[mdonnelly]

Virtually all of them.

BS. It's a rare and wonderful event when The Science Channel or Discovery Channel gets a new program. Where are you seeing all this massive new content? Not A&E, not Biography, not Lifetime, not Spike, not History, not TCM, not any channel I can think of. If it wasn't sweeps month right now, even the networks would be 80% repeats.

 

[Sean Mota]

HDNET only shows 12-14 hrs new every month?

Where are you getting your numbers on any of this?

http://www.hd.net/movies_schedule_by_title.html#M0995

Shows 43 New movies in the next 30 days on HDNET Movies.

At 2 hours per movie (some shorter - some longer) that is 86 hours

Where do you even come close to 12-14?????

ESPN-HD showing sports isn't the same repeats month after month - I would bet that 98%+ of ESPN's shows are new each month.

Even StarzHD by my count had 19 movies this month that had NEVER been on StarzHD before (again 38 hours atleast).

True maybe I miscalculate the 12-14 titles... but since you want more exact numbers here are a few.

7/06 New HDnet Titles = 22
3/06 New HDnet Titles = 24
2/06 New HDnet Titles = 30
1/06 New HDnet Titles = 29
2/07 New HDnet Titles = 30
3/07 New HDnet Titles = 15 (so far).

at 2 hrs per title (more or less) , Max = 30 x 2 =60 hrs, 60/720 = 8.3%
at 2 hrs per title (more or less) , Min = 22 x 2 =44 hrs, 44/720 = 6.1%

So in a nutshell, HDnet Movies fall quite behind and 90% of their content is repeat!

Even with these numbers, HDNET Movies, ESPNHD and even StarzHD of all places has easily 20% of its programming a month in new material - as does HBO-HD, Showtime, Cinemax and the rest.

Lets talk about Starz HD. I just did the same research on their new movies every month and looked ahead to see how many in 3/07. Just looking at the 3/07 titles, I can easily tell you that there is no more than 15-20 new titles in that list. Since Starz HD has the reputation of repeating their new titles till death do us a part.

ESPN HD I just looked at their 2/07 schedule... they have ~ 58 to 65 hours scheduled for HD sports. Most of it college basketball games and NBA basketball games. 65/720 = 9% of new programming. Since I am not into college basketball (unless is the NCAA tournament), this to me is a waste.

 

[Sean Mota]

BS. It's a rare and wonderful event when The Science Channel or Discovery Channel gets a new program. Where are you seeing all this massive new content? Not A&E, not Biography, not Lifetime, not Spike, not History, not TCM, not any channel I can think of. If it wasn't sweeps month right now, even the networks would be 80% repeats.

I agree with you on this. A channel by itself does not show even close to 20% of new programming every month. But you take a whole bunch of channels as a group and then we can see that as a group of channels the amount of new programming could overload your DVR. But all depends on your viewing preference. I do not watch ESPN HD until an important games comes up or baseball season starts. I do not watch TNT HD until the closer comes up. I do not watch UHD unless is repeats of BSG or SG-Atlantis or a good movie. The same could be said about HDnet or HDnet Movies, HBO or any voom channel. It is all about individual preference. I sure would like Dish to carry YESHD so that I can watch the Yankees in HD every day during baseball season but do you think I watch YES HD during off season --- no.

It is all a matter of taste... The fact that we can still see new programming coming up in all these channels should be ok because it is up to us to decide with the remote whether to watch them or not. Unfortunately, we do not have the control to select what we are paying for. I wish I did not have to pay for half of the channels that I do not watch but that is not the model in place. The model in place is that you pay for a group of channels and basically that's it. Even though I also have critizised some of these channels in the past, they serve a purpose to someone who likes what they show.

 

[dslate69]

... The older I get the less I notice the repeats. And the longer I go between eyeglass prescriptions the less I care about the resolution.

Too funny.
It paid off to sort thru all the Brokeback post to see your wise words.

 

[dfergie]

This alone made December worth it...

 

[Van]

For the time that I installed dish and saw voom hd channels I wasnt impressed with the programming even when dish added the additional channels a year or year and half ago. I was never impressed with tnt hd and felt the same way about much of what voom offered both on dish and when it was its own company before the son sold it out. Much of what is on voom is niche material that apeals to a small minority such as equator and the hd mtv unplugged spin off. Still other channels such as hd cartoons wich really looks no diferent on an sd channel as compared to an hd channel, kids arent clamoring for hd let alone hd cartoons. HD kung fu and hd monster flicks that were filmed from the early 80's going backwards are only going to look as good as the quality of the film used as well as the camera's and how well it has been archived, if you want to see bad archiving and poor film/gear just look at any film made in baliwood thats older than 10 years.

 

[ElectricSlim]

Apparently you don't understand what HD is. Ever heard of HD Lite? All voom channels are not HD

Got a problem with HD lite - call Dish. Voom is HD. Upconverted SD is not HD.

 

[ElectricSlim]

20 hours a quarter is not much. It is about 1% of the total programming. You are right that it is HD though. Even what is called HD Lite is still HD. And I believe that it is DISH not VOOM that turns it into HD Lite so blaming VOOM may be inappropriate IMO.

It is. I had Voom when it was it's own system, the picture quality was perfect. Okay, at first they had a few kinks to work out, but they got it down. I would bet the house that you are correct.

 

[ElectricSlim]

When CNN HD and MTV HD come on, I bet the Voom Music and News channel will have to change to something else.

I love voom, just not the repeats (waisted bandwidth).


I propose that we cut Voom down to just 6 channels and limit them to few repeat for the week. They will need to combine many channels into one.
That will free up Bandwidth for all the other HD channels out there like, MTV HD, Cinimax HD, The Movie channel HD, Regional Sports and on and on.

I recently got MTV HD on my system. I'm assuming you have not seen MTV HD or MHD. It's terrible. If you think Rave has repetition this will make your head spin. Plus as I said earlier, they air music videos in SD with bars on the sides. Everyone seems to be complaining about lack of new programming, nothing is new on MTV HD, it's all been seen before on MTV, VH1 or CMT. So jumping to positive conclusions about MTV is...not well informed. Lastly MHD has commercials - Rave does not. Do you want your music with interruptions four times an hour or straight through? Plus we all know where MTV will end up, once they really care about this channel here come the forgotten child actors, the porn stars and little people in freak show reality TV. If I was MTV I'd buy Rave, they are way, way ahead of them.

 

[ElectricSlim]

HDNET only shows 12-14 hrs new every month?

Where are you getting your numbers on any of this?

http://www.hd.net/movies_schedule_by_title.html#M0995

Shows 43 New movies in the next 30 days on HDNET Movies.

At 2 hours per movie (some shorter - some longer) that is 86 hours

Where do you even come close to 12-14?????

ESPN-HD showing sports isn't the same repeats month after month - I would bet that 98%+ of ESPN's shows are new each month.

Even StarzHD by my count had 19 movies this month that had NEVER been on StarzHD before (again 38 hours atleast).

Even with these numbers, HDNET Movies, ESPNHD and even StarzHD of all places has easily 20% of its programming a month in new material - as does HBO-HD, Showtime, Cinemax and the rest.

Counting the showing of the 43 New Movies in the next 30 days on HDNET Movies you see that they are shown roughly 151 time x 2 hours = 302 hours out of 720 hours is 1%????? Last I checked it was about 45%!!!!!!

So again, where are you coming up with these wildly low numbers?

Simply stated, Voom has the lowest number of new programming per month of any of the HD Channels (and probably the lowest of most SD Channels).

Low number of new=repeats!!!!!!

Your arguments are revisionist. Premiere means NEVER BEEN SEEN ANYWHERE BEFORE. Movies on HD Net,outside of the few orignals, HAVE ALL BEEN SEEN ON TV BEFORE. Tom Petty and Depeche Mode were on Rave recently. They were premieres. Never seen before.

Your stats are bogus too. ESPN HD is not 24 hours of HD programming, so it's not apples to apples. If the the Voom channels diluted their hours with upconverted SD programs they would have less repeats. Is that unique? Is that true to the medium? You don't have to like Voom, but you should at least respect what they are doing. Because of Voom, more producers are making HD programs, there is more and more HD content out on the market. All of the HD channels benefit because of Voom. Someone calling themself HDFanAtic should appreciate this.

 

[gdarwin]

Got a problem with HD lite - call Dish. Voom is HD. Upconverted SD is not HD.

VOOM is NOT HD!

 

[ElectricSlim]

VOOM is NOT HD!

Don't spread lies. Justify that.

 

[Sean Mota]

VOOM is NOT HD!

Provide us with your wisdom and let us know what it is since you know so much as to make such an eloquent remark without a foundation to stand on. Please enlighten us.

 

[TulsaCoker]

Sean, check you link to Facts about HD Lite on E*