Why does Dish box on put out HD on one channel?

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Don't beat me up because this is my first post. I really joind the board to find a solution to this exact problem.

I have one of the first HD boxes that was available in my area. I think it must be the 622. It's also a DVR. I have an aging CRT SD TV in the kitchen. It's just the wife and I and we don't need to watch different shows at the same time. Right now I have the second channel coax going to the kitchen TV. I have the second channel remote set up to allow changing channels. I'm going to replace the TV with a 22" LCD TV. I really want to see a better picture than SD on it.

I found the following device that shows promise. It's a HDMI signal splitter for $50.00... from MCM Electronics PN33-10540 It's supposed to boost the HDMI signal 50 feet. But I don't know if you can even buy a 50 foot HDMI cable.

Then I found a HDMI Over Cat6 Tx/Rx... PN 33-11050 This is supposed to send HDMI over 5M but that's only 15 feet I think there is a typo in the specs.

So there is equipment out there that should allow me to wath HD in more than one location from the one single tuner.

I would like to here if anyone has tried any of this type of equipment, specifically with the Dish HD DVR unit.
 

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But as far as I have been able find, the receiver does not put out an HD signal on channel 2 no matter what kind of cable I have.

My question is why?
This was likely done as there's no easy way to send an HD signal as far away as would typically be required. Only recently have solutions to accomplish this relatively inexpensively come to market. Most of them still involve some sort of dedicated internal wiring that must be added.

The method chosen to send signals to remote televisions was an agile (able to change channels) NTSC RF modulator. To convert to ATSC modulators would cost hundreds of dollars for each unit.
 

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If I understand correctly, yes. As mentioned above in an earlier post you can sling an HD channel to anywhere while the TV by the receiver gets another HD channel.
I knew about the sling, but you still need a sling catcher on the other TV, no?

Also, I did not realize that you can Sling on program to one TV while watching a total different program from the same box on the other. I thought you have to Sling the same program?
 

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Remember you can use the component out of the 622 for a second HDTV. I do this for my bedroom TV on my 622. HDMI feeds the living room, Component feeds bedroom. I use this cable

Whoa! That's way easier than buying converters... Thanks for the tip! Problem solved!
 

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It would be helpful if the OP didn't refer to the TV1 & TV2 outputs as channels.
 

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Ok. This thread reminded me of a question i've been meaning to ask. With all these fancy HDTVs having a built-in HD tuner, Why can't E just use ATSC like OTA for the second TV-out on regular coax?

OK, let's try this another way. If the signal output from any receiver was sent over coax directly to another TV, it would have to be in ATSC format. Otherwise, the other TV would require a box of some sort. Now that ATSC signal is by it's very nature "in the clear." It could easily be recorded and then sent, in full quality, across the internet. Or recorded to pirated discs. The content owners do not want this to happen, and go to some lengths to prevent it.
 

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Now that ATSC signal is by it's very nature "in the clear." It could easily be recorded and then sent, in full quality, across the internet... The content owners do not want this to happen, and go to some lengths to prevent it.
Which begs the question, "How is it that there are any programs on broadcast TV?" People can, and I regularly do, record these in pristine quality for streaming about my house. ;)
 

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I was aware that you couldn't buy a Blu-Ray recorder in the US.
They are available in Japan.

I know you can record the stuff from the DVR to a DVD recorder and if I input the signal from the Dish box to my computer I could probably record in HD using it.

I don't see any reason that you couldn't run the Dish box into a Blu-Ray recorder on channel 1 and record in HD, if you could get a recorder.

So I don't see why not having both channels in HD protects anyone.

I have an HDMI cable running from my computer to my TV so I can play Blu-Ray from my computer to my TV.

The end result is that if I want both of my TVs to be in HD I have to buy two Dish boxes instead of a 2 channel one.

Mike

You can buy Blu-ray recorders for computers here. Not as convenient as a stand alone recorder, but possibilities are open.

Generally, you cannot record HD to a standard DVD. AVCHD is a way to do this, but only for a few minutes and most DVD players will not read it. You must, as a practical matter, outside that exception, record onto BD (or HDD) to get the full HD quality in both PQ & AQ. Yes, there are ways of dumping a signal to your PC and recording it to HDD or BD, etc, but we don't generally support hack talk or circumventing copy protection here. Helps keep the lawyers at bay, you see.

Copy protection features prevent direct recording. HDMI signals support this copy protection. Component does not, and as a result, sometimes will downrez the HD signal. It's not like recording an analog signal. The system is designed to make unauthorized recordings of digital material difficult.

As to why content owners want "protection" and full control of their material, see my previous post, and think "money." They are terrified of piracy. Think RIAA and CD sales. Or where CD sales "used to" be. Piracy can still be done, but not as casually as copying CDs.

All HD outputs from the TV1 outputs are live at the same time. So you can, for example, feed the same signal, HD or otherwise, to two HDTVs. One via HDMI and one via component. They'll just watch the same program. You could also use an HDMI splitter. Some have done this, to varying degrees of success. You see, in HDMI, the TV or other receiving device needs to respond back to the material source. This "handshaking" indicates to the source that the recipient is an authorized device and will not be outputting a recordable signal in the clear. No handshake, no signal. And if you have two receiving devices, and both respond, you will have problems. HDMI splitters handle this problem to varying degrees of success.
 

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Which begs the question, "How is it that there are any programs on broadcast TV?" People can, and I regularly do, record these in pristine quality for streaming about my house. ;)

Yep. So do I. Funny how something via OTA is not as "protected" (valuable) as something over cable or sat. :rolleyes:

That's their story and they're sticking to it! :D
 

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....The end result is that if I want both of my TVs to be in HD I have to buy two Dish boxes instead of a 2 channel one.

And BTW, you sound like a good candidate for the ViP922, which I believe will support your desire for 2 independent HD signals from one box. TV1 & sling, per earlier posts.

I don't think DirecTV has a box out yet that will support 2 different TVs independently in different rooms like the Dish boxes do. But I believe they are about to release such a creature. MRV.

Buy. Lease. Meh!
 

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This whole ATSC/HD TV2 discussion always gets under my skin. :mad: Any signal coming OUT of this box, is only there because I PAY for it. Therefore it is mine to do as I see fit with it! All we want is a TRUE dual HD tuner receiver. :rant:
 

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I'm going to replace the TV with a 22" LCD TV. I really want to see a better picture than SD on it.

I would try using the new TV as it is on the modulated SD output first before spending extra money to get a HD signal to it. Usually with a TV of that size you have to be setting very close to it to notice a difference in the HD vs SD picture quality.
 

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This whole ATSC/HD TV2 discussion always gets under my skin. :mad: Any signal coming OUT of this box, is only there because I PAY for it. Therefore it is mine to do as I see fit with it! All we want is a TRUE dual HD tuner receiver. :rant:

Well, in case you have not figured it out yet, You're not gonna get it, lest you go 922 +.:rolleyes:
 

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This whole ATSC/HD TV2 discussion always gets under my skin. :mad: Any signal coming OUT of this box, is only there because I PAY for it. Therefore it is mine to do as I see fit with it! All we want is a TRUE dual HD tuner receiver. :rant:
Be perturbed all you want. It isn't going to change the fact that you don't "own" the content.

You've purchased a limited license to view the content and the terms are very specific.
 

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what channel is this ATSC network on , what shows does it offer and why cant i watch them on my tv2 ? I knew there was a signal coming out of the box, but the govt is doing that, i pay for programming access but im sure its owned by the network producers. a true dual tuner ? you have one ! you just need to option it out with a 211 and a external HD
 
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Does everyone here think it is worth while for Dish to spend money on a receiver that has HDMI out for TV1 and HDMI out for TV2? How many Dish customers do you think are going to run an HDMI cable to their 2nd TV that may be 50 to 75 feet away from the receiver? I just don't think it is feasable for Dish to make that type of receiver yet. There will be a day when we have a reliable dual HD reciever, I'm just not sure how soon.
 

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