DIRECTV unlikely to keep NFL Sunday Ticket

[Juan]

I also do not understand this hatred of a Streaming Company picking up NFLST.

DirecTV/AT&T are the ones who decided they were not going to bid on it, they are the reason why ST is leaving, it is not Apple/Amazon’s fault, be angry at DirecTV for pulling the rug out from under you.

At least this way, subscribers of DirecTV can stay with it and then get ST via a Streaming Service.

If Dish bid on it, you would probably be forced to get Dish for example.

Going streaming was the only way to keep it available Nationwide and maximize the money for the NFL.

No hatred..just unbelief that they would pay so much for a service that only has 2 million customers

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Speaking of SiriusXM and the NFL. This just hit the wires.

National Football League and SiriusXM Announce Extension and Expansion of Broadcasting Agreement

SiriusXM will be the exclusive third-party audio provider to distribute every NFL game across North America
Starting this season, SiriusXM will air additional team focused content, including pre- and post-game shows

SiriusXM subscribers to continue to get NFL games and exclusive NFL content on SiriusXM radio and on the SXM App through Super Bowl LXI in 2027

NEW YORK – July 26, 2022 – The National Football League and SiriusXM announced today a five-year extension of their broadcasting and marketing agreement. SiriusXM and the NFL have been teaming up to deliver fans NFL games and exclusive content since 2004 and their new agreement extends their relationship beyond two decades.

Under the terms of this new agreement, SiriusXM becomes the exclusive third-party audio provider of every NFL game across North America. SiriusXM subscribers will continue to get access to every NFL game live through Super Bowl LXI in 2027 on SiriusXM radio and on the SXM App, as well as SiriusXM NFL Radio, SiriusXM’s 24/7 radio channel dedicated entirely to the NFL.

The SXM App offers 32 NFL team channels, each dedicated to carrying the official radio broadcast for each NFL team, making it easy for fans to find and listen to their favorite team’s announcers for every game. Starting this season, each team channel on the SXM App will now also feature the team’s pre- and post-game shows before and after every game. All 32 team channels are also available in vehicles equipped with SiriusXM 360L radios.

 

[televisionarchivesorlando]

It does make me wonder how many subscribers they will get after this year. I understand it will open it up to many who want it but I'm guessing the talks going on with the NFL have to do with price and how many are actually going to sign up for NFL Sunday Ticket. Can they actually know how many will sign up for it? Also Sunday Ticket hasn't required a TV subscription for several years yet the numbers for the NFL Sunday Ticket haven't gone up. Can someone explain that one to me? My Father gets in with no Directv service

 

[Yespage]

I was just hanging out in my local place last night and the barkeep had soccer on one of the TVs. Manchester City vs. Bayern. We got to watching it, slow night, and they went to a wide shot.

They were playing at Lambeau Field.

Yes, in any large and diverse country, you can have a few foreign sports now and then. Any good marketer should be able to sell anything as a novelty, now and then.

Well, as a reminder, that game meant nothing and was no more than a pre-season matchup between two teams that might not play against each other this season. And people still showed up. If the EPL held a regular season game that mattered in the US, it'd probably sell out quick. Same if El Classico was held in the US, which based on how badly La Liga needs money... that might happen.

 

[Yespage]

The only “evidence” is basic math. This package LOSES money and will LOSE money for whoever gets it. Unless you believe there are more potential subscribers out there than now watch the “free” games on a typical Sunday.

As long as we are having this conversation in 2002, yeah, you are right. People that want Sunday Ticket are getting Directv.

But the current year is 2022, and there are a generation plus worth of people that don't do sat/cable. And if Sunday Ticket goes to streaming through Apple or Amazon, that opens a gateway to the permanent streamers that never considered getting Sunday Ticket. I have no idea what the numbers need to be for the winner to break even, but the math is different via streaming, because there is definitely a growing percentage of people streaming over sat/cable'ing.

 

[Bruce]

The next argument you opened yourself up to is the indefensible 'if they wanted to maximize money it should be available to all' but that consistently ignores the NFL business model of maximizing revenue via exclusivity. We don't have data from either side for that debate so it's not really winnable by either side.

I know, they want the NFL to change their business model to suit them but they were happy with the same business model when it was only on DirecTV.

As far as being available to everybody, who has said everybody wants to carry it.

A lot of channels are available to everybody but are not carried by all, Bally RSNs are available to everyone, but Dish, Fubo, Hulu Live, YTTV do not carry them.

They found their business model to not support them, YTTV and Hulu made the correct decision since they are the only Live TV services gaining customers.

If offered to Sat./Cable Companies, would they then say then you cannot have it available via broadband, which would still limit how many customers.

Streaming is the best option, it is the only way to reach the vast majority of the population, some will get left out yes, Corporations always does this to maximize money.

 

[Juan]

As long as we are having this conversation in 2002, yeah, you are right. People that want Sunday Ticket are getting Directv.

But the current year is 2022, and there are a generation plus worth of people that don't do sat/cable. And if Sunday Ticket goes to streaming through Apple or Amazon, that opens a gateway to the permanent streamers that never considered getting Sunday Ticket. I have no idea what the numbers need to be for the winner to break even, but the math is different via streaming, because there is definitely a growing percentage of people streaming over sat/cable'ing.

Why do you think the people who wont pay for cable or satellite have $300 to waste on sunday ticket?.. Sunday Ticket is a premium service amongst premium services...its over priced and really has little value to the average fan..there is a market for it..just not a mass market..a small niche market that directv figured out a long time ago..give it free for over priced satellite service..its not really a stand alone product that the masses want

 

[Bruce]

It does make me wonder how many subscribers they will get after this year. I understand it will open it up to many who want it but I'm guessing the talks going on with the NFL have to do with price and how many are actually going to sign up for NFL Sunday Ticket. Can they actually know how many will sign up for it? Also Sunday Ticket hasn't required a TV subscription for several years yet the numbers for the NFL Sunday Ticket haven't gone up. Can someone explain that one to me? My Father gets in with no Directv service

What?

You have to get DirecTV to get NFLST, the only other way is if you are a College Student or live somewhere you cannot put up a Dish, Apartments for example or other multi-living types.

What does your Father use to be able to view it on?

 

[Bruce]

Why do you think the people who wont pay for cable or satellite have $300 to waste on sunday ticket?.. Sunday Ticket is a premium service amongst premium services...its over priced and really has little value to the average fan..there is a market for it..just not a mass market..a small niche market that directv figured out a long time ago..give it free for over priced satellite service..its not really a stand alone product that the masses want

Are you saying that all of the under 40 crowd have no money?

Maybe they just do not want to waste their money on a Live TV service that will cost them $3500 over 2 years that they will never use, just so they can pay another $300 for ST.

Again, you can spend roughly $50 a month to streaming services, get the majority of programming on Traditional Providers plus all the exclusive stuff, why spend another $100-150 a month to get a Live TV Service also.

If the under 40 crowd is not wasting their money on a service they do not want or need, then they are being smart with their money.

 

[Yespage]

Why do you think the people who wont pay for cable or satellite have $300 to waste on sunday ticket?

Because they aren't spending $1000 to $2000 a year on equipment or on channels they don't watch?

.. Sunday Ticket is a premium service amongst premium services...its over priced and really has little value to the average fan..there is a market for it..just not a mass market..a small niche market that directv figured out a long time ago..give it free for over priced satellite service..

Mmm-kay.

its not really a stand alone product that the masses want

I think you are thinking of CNN+.

 

[televisionarchivesorlando]

As long as we are having this conversation in 2002, yeah, you are right. People that want Sunday Ticket are getting Directv.

But the current year is 2022, and there are a generation plus worth of people that don't do sat/cable. And if Sunday Ticket goes to streaming through Apple or Amazon, that opens a gateway to the permanent streamers that never considered getting Sunday Ticket. I have no idea what the numbers need to be for the winner to break even, but the math is different via streaming, because there is definitely a growing percentage of people streaming over sat/cable'ing.

So why has Directv been selling the Sunday Ticket to nonsubscribers of Directv? They say DirecTV only makes Sunday Ticket available outside of its regular subscriptions if you live in an area that can't get service from the satellite TV provider; you're also eligible for the service if you live in a multi-unit residence like an apartment, condo or dormitory. I know many that get NFL Sunday that way yet where

What?

You have to get DirecTV to get NFLST, the only other way is if you are a College Student or live somewhere you cannot put up a Dish, Apartments for example or other multi-living types.

What does your Father use to be able to view it on?

The neighbor blocks his view of the Satellite in Maine. Playstation

 

[Bruce]

I think you are thinking of CNN+.

If that had regular CNN along with the plus crap, I would of signed up and drop Live TV.

 

[Bruce]

Think much of it is the natural resistance to change and some of it projection and wanting it to fail because it's not their preferred solution for a variety of reasons (habits, internet availability, preconceived notions about streaming, etc)

Television and Programing has been nothing but change over it’s short history and people have forgotten.

From B&W to Color
From SD to HD to 4K
From Antenna to Cable to Satellite to Streaming
From OTA Channels to Cable Channels to Streaming Apps
From watch it live to VCRs to DVRs to On Demand to hitting ok on the Roku remote when you wish to watch anything basically.
From the majority of programming on Network/Cable Channels to the majority of programming now on Streaming Services to in 5-10 ( at the most) years, all programming on streaming services.

Etc, etc, etc

 

[Jimbo]

Again, I want it, but I refuse to pay roughy $3500-4000 over 2 years to get it, Traditional TV is just not worth it anymore, especially since the majority of programming is reruns or reality shows.

Have you looked at the Fall TV Schedule, yech, we are now at the point where the best new shows are exclusive to the streaming services and the rest of the shows are on there also.

If I did not get YTTV for free ( Gift Card loophole) I would drop it in a second, the vast majority of shows on Traditional Live TV channels are on streaming services, then you get the exclusive shows also at a much less expensive price and better quality.

If I could get CNN, CNBC and Michigan Football via a streaming service separate from a OTT Service, Traditional Live TV would be gone.


This is what it says-

The package currently has about 1.5 million subscribers, down from some two million customers at its peak. DirecTV, now co-owned by AT&T and private-equity firm TPG, has been losing $500 million annually on the package for several years, people familiar with the financials of the package said.

My guess is the peak is many years ago.

And this is no surprise, specially since DirecTV Satellite has lost about 11-12 million subs the last 8 years.

Sooner or later, commercial establishments will have to upgrade, we all know streaming is the future of Television, there will come a point that both Dish and DirecTV will become unprofitable because of sub loss and stop offering services, even if they want to continue running the service at a loss, then the Satellites will start failing, remember no more are being built or launched.

You still have at least another 8-10 years before you have to start worrying about Sats ....

Why can't you stream ichigan football games ?
Most are on FOX, Fox Sports should have all the games.

I haven't needed to stream any Buckeye games as they are on TRADITIONAL TV just fine every week.
I think MOST of ichigan games are also on traditional tv ... when I was helping friends in Florida, they never had any issues getting Buckeye games, why would ichigan be any different ?

 

[Jimbo]

So why has Directv been selling the Sunday Ticket to nonsubscribers of Directv? They say DirecTV only makes Sunday Ticket available outside of its regular subscriptions if you live in an area that can't get service from the satellite TV provider; you're also eligible for the service if you live in a multi-unit residence like an apartment, condo or dormitory. I know many that get NFL Sunday that way yet where

The neighbor blocks his view of the Satellite in Maine. Playstation

Its been available to Students for quite awhile now.
That said, its still not available to just anybody, still have to be a D* sub.

 

[Juan]

Because they aren't spending $1000 to $2000 a year on equipment or on channels they don't watch?

Mmm-kay.

I think you are thinking of CNN+.

You want them to spend $300 on a bunch of games they probably wont watch

 

[Juan]

Are you saying that all of the under 40 crowd have no money?

Maybe they just do not want to waste their money on a Live TV service that will cost them $3500 over 2 years that they will never use, just so they can pay another $300 for ST.

Again, you can spend roughly $50 a month to streaming services, get the majority of programming on Traditional Providers plus all the exclusive stuff, why spend another $100-150 a month to get a Live TV Service also.

If the under 40 crowd is not wasting their money on a service they do not want or need, then they are being smart with their money.

Im saying..they dont watch sports..so they wont spend $ 300 just because its not on directv

 

[meStevo]

Im saying..they dont watch sports..so they wont spend $ 300 just because its not on directv

You want them to spend $300 on a bunch of games they probably wont watch

Citation needed, oh wait...

 

[Juan]

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Glad i have some people on ignore

 

[meStevo]

Glad i have some people on ignore

That'll save us all several posts of you doubling down and pivoting whenever you're soundly proven wrong again and again I suppose.

Then again, that'd depend on you actually leaving it on ignore and not just saying you've done it.