DIRECTV unlikely to keep NFL Sunday Ticket

[Juan]

There's a lot, you just lack imagination or the ability to practically apply current trends in technology or underestimate a potential winner's willingness to make it their own or.... ya know what, it's probably a rather lengthy list so we'll stop there.

But at the end of the day..Apple said thanks but no thanks a while back...just too much money and not enough creative control..oh well..still no deal

 

[meStevo]

But at the end of the day..Apple said thanks but no thanks a while back...just too much money and not enough creative control..oh well..still no deal

I defer to my prior post.

 

[Juan]

I defer to my prior post.

Nuthin there but an apple fan boy rambling

 

[meStevo]

Nuthin there but an apple fan boy rambling

You'd know pointless rambling, that's for sure. But since it's too complex to connect the dots, that rambling is coverage of this Daniel Kaplan piece on The Athletic, which typically requires a paywall.

But I'll quote this part for you from it and keep it simple (since the rest is far too complex for you to understand based on what you've posted today:

"Apple is still the front-runner to score Sunday Ticket"​

That's from his article on Friday. Below is what is called a link, or citation... I know that's hard for you guys who want nothing but negative things on this topic to show your work.

NFL's clock ticking for new Sunday Ticket partner. Why is it taking so long?

Commissioner Roger Goodell had said a deal would be done by fall, but a new provider has yet to be nailed down.

theathletic.com

If you disagree with the above, feel free to cite your own that's newer than 4 days ago.

 

[Juan]

You'd know pointless rambling, that's for sure. But since it's too complex to connect the dots, that rambling is coverage of this Daniel Kaplan piece on The Athletic, which typically requires a paywall.

But I'll quote this part for you from it and keep it simple (since the rest is far too complex for you to understand based on what you've posted today:

"Apple is still the front-runner to score Sunday Ticket"​

That's from his article on Friday. Below is what is called a link, or citation... I know that's hard for you guys who want nothing but negative things on this topic to show your work.

NFL's clock ticking for new Sunday Ticket partner. Why is it taking so long?

Commissioner Roger Goodell had said a deal would be done by fall, but a new provider has yet to be nailed down.

theathletic.com

If you disagree with the above, feel free to cite your own that's newer than 4 days ago.

But still no deal

 

[SamCdbs]

There's a lot, you just lack imagination or the ability to practically apply current trends in technology or underestimate a potential winner's willingness to make it their own or.... ya know what, it's probably a rather lengthy list so we'll stop there.

No, don’t stop. Please tell us.

I’ll tell you what it will be. Exactly what is up for bids. The rights to show Fox and CBS produced games out of market, plus the “Red Zone” highlight channel which shows highlights from Fox and CBS produced games. That is what is up for bids. Now, maybe they can add in a more advanced statistics page than DirecTV has with its red button content, but that is trivial. That, and the two minutes per hour where the local station would show commercials.

That is what is up for bids. Apple is not producing the games, covering them in a different way, etc. They are showing the Pittsburgh game in Cincinnati and the Cincinnati game in Pittsburgh. Nothing more.

 

[Bilbo1]

No, don’t stop. Please tell us.

The NFL has a big content library that looked to contain some interesting stuff. The big plan was to sell rights to someone to run NFL+. The NFL had $$$ in their eyes. We know how that turned out.

 

[Juan]

The NFL has a big content library that looked to contain some interesting stuff. The big plan was to sell rights to someone to run NFL+. The NFL had $$$ in their eyes. We know how that turned out.

That was a little plan

 

[TheRatPatrol]

Rumors are now saying that Google may swoop in and take it to put it on YouTube TV.

 

[Bruce]

Rumors are now saying that Google may swoop in and take it to put it on YouTube TV.

I was about to say bull on that because it would be an incredibly stupid idea, but you are correct, found it in the Times.

I really hope this does not happen, only 68 Million Households have a Paid Live TV Service, out of 128 Million Households, while YTTV was quick to get to 5 Million Subscribers, it is just not a growth industry anymore, specially since Live TV Providers are now losing 6-8 Million subs a year.

But in the absence of a deal, Google has stepped up its pursuit, aiming to win the package for YouTube TV, the company’s streaming-cable service, four of these people said. Other interested bidders include Amazon and Disney’s ESPN.

Robert Kyncl, YouTube’s chief business officer, has played a key role in Google’s pursuit. Though he will take a new job early next year as chief executive of Warner Music Group, Mr. Kyncl has committed to working with YouTube to see the deal through, three people familiar with his priorities said. He has a relationship with Brian Rolapp, the N.F.L.’s chief business officer, who worked with Mr. Kyncl during Google’s unsuccessful bid for Sunday Ticket in 2013.

Why the N.F.L.’s Big Streaming Deal Is Going Into Overtime

Talks for Sunday Ticket are expected to spill into next year, as Apple faces increased competition from Google for the league’s last available TV rights.

www.nytimes.com

 

[SamCdbs]

YouTube TV makes a lot of sense. ST, remember, is a money losing package. The only way to monetize it is the same way DirecTV has all these years. By predication upon first buying something else.

Amazon, “everyone” (supposedly) already has, apparently for the other stuff like shipping more than its video content. Apple, which a lot of people get for free, is only $7 anyway (and hardly worth that). But UTTV is a fairly robust package of linear TV channels, and thus perfect for predication, and the owner has the money to absorb the cash basis losses and see if it can become one of the top internet linear TV providers.

 

[Bruce]

YouTube TV makes a lot of sense. ST, remember, is a money losing package. The only way to monetize it is the same way DirecTV has all these years. By predication upon first buying something else.

Amazon, “everyone” (supposedly) already has, apparently for the other stuff like shipping more than its video content. Apple, which a lot of people get for free, is only $7 anyway (and hardly worth that). But UTTV is a fairly robust package of linear TV channels, and thus perfect for predication, and the owner has the money to absorb the cash basis losses and see if it can become one of the top internet linear TV providers.

It made more sense with DirecTV since you were stuck with a Two Year Contract, even if out of contract you were stuck since you just could not unsubscribe for 9 months then start back up in September.

You can do that with YTTV, go online, start up in September, cancel service in January.

But what is happening with DirecTV is proof that model does not work anymore, having ST has not stopped DirecTV from losing 11 Million Subscribers and on route to being out of business in 5-7 years.

The smart thing is make it available to everyone online without having to get a paid Live TV service.

MLB has made it work, it’s online service has 3.5 million subscribers, also available to everyone who has a paid TV Service, so roughly over 100 Million Households.

But it is Google’s money, if they did this, I can get Google Play Cards with my Credit Card Points, so cost to me is $0.

Just think it is a bad Business Idea.

 

[Juan]

It made more sense with DirecTV since you were stuck with a Two Year Contract, even if out of contract you were stuck since you just could not unsubscribe for 9 months then start back up in September.

You can do that with YTTV, go online, start up in September, cancel service in January.

But what is happening with DirecTV is proof that model does not work anymore, having ST has not stopped DirecTV from losing 11 Million Subscribers and on route to being out of business in 5-7 years.

The smart thing is make it available to everyone online without having to get a paid Live TV service.

MLB has made it work, it’s online service has 3.5 million subscribers, also available to everyone who has a paid TV Service, so roughly over 100 Million Households.

But it is Google’s money, if they did this, I can get Google Play Cards with my Credit Card Points, so cost to me is $0.

Just think it is a bad Business Idea.

No
The price of Sunday Ticket got so expensive it didn't make finacial sense for directv to bid on it...everybody knows directv is transitioning from satellite to streaming and that they actually have 14 million customers..sadly the rest of the potential sunday ticket bidders also seem to have realized the price is too high to make financial sense..still no deal

 

[SamCdbs]

It made more sense with DirecTV since you were stuck with a Two Year Contract, even if out of contract you were stuck since you just could not unsubscribe for 9 months then start back up in September.

You can do that with YTTV, go online, start up in September, cancel service in January.

Right now. Of course, YTTV can change that at the push of a button. Predicate the right to purchase ST on a 2 or 3 or 10 year commitment. Whatever works for YTTV.

But what is happening with DirecTV is proof that model does not work anymore, having ST has not stopped DirecTV from losing 11 Million Subscribers and on route to being out of business in 5-7 years.

If, in fact, the “early adopters” of other forms of entertainment delivery were not in fact what they are, the only adopters.

The smart thing is make it available to everyone online without having to get a paid Live TV service.

If you want to lose your a**, it would be. The winner of this competition WILL pay MORE to the NFL than it will take in. That simple..

MLB has made it work, its online service has 3.5 million subscribers, also available to everyone who has a paid TV Service, so roughly over 100 Million Households.

Correct. That is the MLB (and NBA and NHL) model. They take the out of market material and partner with delivery providers and split the money so both profit.

It just isn’t the way the NFL works. It wants a single provider to pay it MORE than that provider can make back. That is the NFL ST system. ST simply cannot and will not make a profit on a cash basis. Not enough subscribers. A simple basic understanding of Nielsen outlines this.

So predication. Happening. No question.

 

[Bruce]

Correct. That is the MLB (and NBA and NHL) model. They take the out of market material and partner with delivery providers and split the money so both profit.

I was talking the online version, which MLB does not have to split revenue.

 

[Juan]

I was talking the online version, which MLB does not have to split revenue.

You sure about that?

MLB expands Google Cloud partnership as MLB.TV sets viewing records - SportsPro

Google's cloud and AI tech will help baseball league deliver more advanced, personalised video and digital experiences at MLB.

www.sportspromedia.com

 

[Bruce]

You sure about that?

MLB expands Google Cloud partnership as MLB.TV sets viewing records - SportsPro

Google's cloud and AI tech will help baseball league deliver more advanced, personalised video and digital experiences at MLB.

www.sportspromedia.com

That has nothing to do with who gets paid.

When I signed up , it was with MLB direct, even showed that on my CC bill.

If I signed up via Amazon, they usually gets about 20-30%, the rest goes to MLB.

 

[Juan]

That has nothing to do with who gets paid.

When I signed up , it was with MLB direct, even showed that on my CC bill.

If I signed up via Amazon, they usually gets about 20-30%, the rest goes to MLB.

Oh I guess you dont understand what a partner is..my bad

 

[Ronnie-]

Right now. Of course, YTTV can change that at the push of a button. Predicate the right to purchase ST on a 2 or 3 or 10 year commitment. Whatever works for YTTV.

Why would they do that when every linear provider that has had that model in the past has shown that it doesn’t work anymore?

People don’t want to be locked in, that is obvious, and a business killing proposition as far as linear tv goes these days. Just look at the numbers.

 

[Juan]

Why would they do that when every linear provider that has had that model in the past has shown that it doesn’t work anymore?

People don’t want to be locked in, that is obvious, and a business killing proposition as far as linear tv goes these days. Just look at the numbers.

What model do you suggest for a product destined to lose money?