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Nope, and I run my own cables. Only an idiot would pay someone that kind of money to drop a cable down a wall.
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Nope, and I run my own cables. Only an idiot would pay someone that kind of money to drop a cable down a wall.
You are clueless. As a professional Engineer with a private consulting firm the first 10 years of my career, Ive worked hours you Satellite installers have probably never seen or been awake for. I doubt youve been installing dishes on Christmas day or allnight until dawn.dishcomm said:
"A Professional engineer".....Please.. Is that the opposite of an amateur engineer?vurbano said:You are clueless. As a professional Engineer with a private consulting firm the first 10 years of my career, Ive worked hours you Satellite installers have probably never seen or been awake for. I doubt youve been installing dishes on Christmas day or allnight until dawn.
why do you find it necessary to give out your resume..What's that got to do with anything?..
Look you can bitch and moan all you want..I'm still getting paid and will continue to get paid..You are one of these people who sees price and ignores value....TYou have no respect for the entrepreneur....
BTW if your stupid enough to work those idiotic hours by choice be my guest...
There is no nobility in misery..
Now for the second and final time ..end of conversation....or if you are from BFE,Arkansas, that means go post to someone else...
vurbano,
please don't think we are all witless hacks. until 2 years ago i worked from 730 am until 6 pm , 6 days per week ,50 weeks per year. i showed 72,000 on my 1040, it was more.:devil:
i know another area manager who does WV and Ohio who works 7am to 11 pm ,51 weeks per year, he made over 110,000 last year. he is in jail now , he got caught driving over the limit, on a suspended licence.
i took a look at my life and the kids 2 years ago and decided the kids are worth more. i took a 15,000 cut. BUT I'm home more, i have time to spend with them , I'm the president of our football league.
i spend less for gas, the truck lasts longer, less maintenance.
i get to talk to you!!!
life is good!
please don't think we are all witless hacks. until 2 years ago i worked from 730 am until 6 pm , 6 days per week ,50 weeks per year. i showed 72,000 on my 1040, it was more.:devil:
i know another area manager who does WV and Ohio who works 7am to 11 pm ,51 weeks per year, he made over 110,000 last year. he is in jail now , he got caught driving over the limit, on a suspended licence.
i took a look at my life and the kids 2 years ago and decided the kids are worth more. i took a 15,000 cut. BUT I'm home more, i have time to spend with them , I'm the president of our football league.
i spend less for gas, the truck lasts longer, less maintenance.
i get to talk to you!!!
life is good!
Nope. He's going to reply that you were overpaid..And now that you have taken stock of your life and decided family is more important than working all the time, he will label you a lazy unmotivated gen-x slacker.....After all HE worked on Christmas day with his other "professional engineers" while the rest of us worthless slime had the audacity to take the day off..dragon002 said:vurbano,
please don't think we are all witless hacks. until 2 years ago i worked from 730 am until 6 pm , 6 days per week ,50 weeks per year. i showed 72,000 on my 1040, it was more.:devil:
i know another area manager who does WV and Ohio who works 7am to 11 pm ,51 weeks per year, he made over 110,000 last year. he is in jail now , he got caught driving over the limit, on a suspended licence.
i took a look at my life and the kids 2 years ago and decided the kids are worth more. i took a 15,000 cut. BUT I'm home more, i have time to spend with them , I'm the president of our football league.
i spend less for gas, the truck lasts longer, less maintenance.
i get to talk to you!!!
life is good!
I work with guys who will put in 12-15 hour days and get $2 - $3k paychecks at the end of the week..But at what cost?...No thanks..I work 5 days a week. I take enough work to keep me busy for normal work day 8-10 hrs out of the house is enough..Heck I get three jobs a day and I'm over $1000 for the week easily.....however we don't get a very consistent work flow..So I tdoesn't work out that way...But anyway, enough of that....The bottom line is , vurbano and all the me me me people like him can kiss my "man sized ass"...We are getting paid becasue we work for it...
I've had 2 different D* installs (one initial, one from movers program). Both were "free" through D*. In both instances, the installer had to fish cables down the walls. The first time they did it to three different rooms. The second time most of the house was wired, but they ran it to one additional room for me.
Neither time did I pay anything extra. The topic never even came up.
Neither time did I pay anything extra. The topic never even came up.
the gen-x refernece was a figure of speech.....Since I have no idea who you or anyone else is on here and we post under near anonyminity it is entirely acceptable to make refernces such as this..dragon002 said:
Don't take it personally..It was just an invective..
On DNSC (E*) w/o's we cannot charge for wall fishes. But we collect on any work that is outside the scope of the w/o. for example, your additional line on your mover job. If you had three receivers and we came to install three and you asked for an additional line, you would pay for that... Infact E* policy is to charge for those .That's E*call..But on retail deals we sell, we do charge for all extras..Custs are told up front before the sale is complete.....All independent work I do, I charge for these items as well...spartanstew said:
BTW, when I worked for a DTV HSP, we did indeed charge extra for wall fishes....The only extra not chargeable was hardwire phone lines..DTV considers those as part of the job since they inisist all receivers get connected to them..
Its really sad how truly ignorant you are on this subject. Why dont you go look it up. All sorts of flunkies call themselves "engineers" because its in their job description although in many cases unlawfully. Such as an "audio engineer", etc. Getting advice or an opinion from many of these "engineers" is like getting medical advice from an intern, actually, in the engineering profession, less than an intern because some "engineers" may not only be unlicensed but uneducated as well.dishcomm said:
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Professional Engineer
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Professional Engineer is the term for registered or licensed engineers in some countries, including the United States and Canada.
The earmark that distinguishes a professional engineer is the authority to sign and seal or "stamp" engineering documents (drawings and calculations) for a design or a structure, thus taking legal responsibility for it.
The term Professional Engineer is a legally protected title; the practice of engineering is protected in both Canada and the United States, and only registered Professional Engineers are allowed to use the title or carry out the work of Engineering. Common equivalents outside these countries include Chartered Engineer, Incorporated engineer and European Engineer.
Some states and companies use the term Registered Engineer, which carries the same professional and legal responsibilities as Professional Engineer.
Titles
Post-nominal letters used vary by location:
- P.E. or PE are used in the U.S.
- P.Eng. is used in Canada except the province of Quebec.
- Eng. (French:Ing.) is used in Quebec.
- E.I or EI Engineering Intern (future professional engineers).
- E.I.T. Engineer-In-Training (also future professional engineers).
- CEng and IEng in the UK & Republic of Ireland.
- CPEng in Australia
- In?. in Poland (pre-nominal letters)
Registration and regulation
Each country or state/province has specific procedures and requirements for the license or registration. The procedure in the U.S. and Canada is significantly different.
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United States
In the United States, registration or licensure of Professional Engineers is performed by the individual states. Each registration or license is valid only in the state in which it is granted. Many Professional Engineers maintain licenses in several states for this reason and reciprocity agreements between states can make it easy to gain a license in one state based on a license in another state without going through the full application process. The exact licensing procedure can vary from state to state, but the general process is:
- Graduate with a degree from an accredited four-year university program in engineering.
- Complete a standard Fundamentals of Engineering (FE) written examination, which tests applicants on breadth of understanding of basic engineering principles, and optionally some elements of an engineering specialty. Completion of the first two steps typically qualifies one for certification in the U.S. as an Engineer In Training (EIT).
- Accumulate at least four years of engineering experience under the supervision of a P.E.
- Complete a written Professional Engineering Examination, testing the applicant's knowledge and skills in his or her chosen engineering discipline (mechanical, electrical, civil, etc.), as well as engineering ethics.
Some states issue only generic Professional Engineering licenses. Others, known as "discipline states", issue licenses for specific disciplines of engineering, such as Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering and Electrical Engineering. In all cases, however, engineers are limited to practicing in their area of competency, which is usually a small portion of a discipline. While licensing boards do not often enforce this limitation, it can be a factor in negligence lawsuits.
As regulation of the practice of engineering is performed by the individual states in the U.S., areas of engineering involved in interstate commerce are essentially unregulated. These areas include much of Mechanical Engineering, such as Automotive Engineering and Aerospace Engineering, and Chemical Engineering, and may be specificly exempted from regulation under an "Industrial Exemption". An industrial exemption covers engineers who design products such as automobiles that are widely sold outside the state in which they are produced. It would not, however, exempt an engineer who designs a structure which houses an automobile assembly line.
Civil Engineers account for a large majority of licensed Professional Engineers, and many of the remainder are Mechanical and Electrical Engineers whose practice involves areas that states regulate, e.g., HVAC systems and power engineering. However, some engineers in other fields obtain licenses for prestige even though they are never required to stamp design documents.
The title "Engineer" is legally protected, meaning that it is unlawful to use it unless permission is specifically granted by a state, through a professional engineering license, an industrial exemption, or certain other non-professional engineering licenses such as Operating Engineer. Employees of state or federal agencies may also call themselves engineers if that term appears in their official job title. Businesses can not use the term "Engineering" in their name or offer engineering services to the public unless they employ at least one Professional Engineer.
In many states, Licensed Land Surveyors are regulated in a similar manner, and are required to pass a Fundamentals of Surveying (FS) exam, perform a period of internship and then pass a Practices of Surveying (PS) Exam. A four-year degree in engineering or land surveying may also be required. In a few states licensed Civil Engineers may also perform land surveys.
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Canada
In Canada regulation including registration is accomplished through a self governing body (Association of Professional Engineers) that is given the power to register and discipline engineers as well as regulate the field of engineering in their province. Many of these associations are also responsible for regulating other related professions (such as Geoscience). The process for registration is generally as follows:
- Graduate with a degree from an accredited program in engineering or applied science,
- Complete an Engineer in Training program under the direction of a P.Eng. (This is normally a four-year program)
- Review of work experience by the Association,
- Pass a professional practice exam (essentially an engineering ethics and law exam).
The Canadian Engineering Licensing model is unique in that Engineers are not tested on technical knowledge during the licensing process, but instead the accreditation of schools and their accredited degree granting status are tightly monitored and controlled. Unlike many countries where accreditation processes are typically quite broad and simply ensures a low minimum standard, leaving the ultimate testing of the Engineer to the licensing stage, the Canadian system ensures a that a very specific and regimented curriculum is offered and tested with strict accordance to set national standards. This streamlines the overall licensing process and ensures a firm national standard on the quality of Engineering in Canada. This accreditation process is governed by the Canadian Council of Professional Engineers through their active group the Canadian Engineering Accreditation Board. The accreditation process is continuous and enforced through regular accreditation reviews of each school. These reviews typically include the review of the school's curriculum (including marked final exams and assignments), interviews of current students, extra curricular activities and teaching staff as well additional areas the visiting board may feel need addressing. The specific areas considered are Curriculum Content, Program Environment, and General Criteria.
Legislatively, the Code of Ethics is legally binding on Professional Engineers.
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dragon002 said:
Im not gonna flame him. I was just trying to explain the business nature of the engineering private consulting world, that he's shown that he has no ability to grasp. When you have a contract with a client you work whatever hours it takes to meet the dead line. To insinuate that those people dont know anything about the business world is IGNORANT. If you dont meet the deadlines your business dries up and the firm goes out of business. You do not have a steady stream of customers to go "INSTALL"
I'm tired of arguing with morons, therefore I think he's best kept on the ignore list.
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