Dish Has ‘Free Speech TV’ Problem

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Does a left-leaning network with occasional nudity, some profanity and a rather hefty dose of Bush-bashing deserve a slot on a satellite service’s family-friendly programming tier?

Federal Communications Commission chairman Kevin Martin might need to bring the matter to a head next month after EchoStar Communications Corp. launches its “Dish Family” tier without the edgy fare of Free Speech TV.

Martin, the Republican chief of the nation’s main regulator of video programming, just finished pushing cable- and satellite-television companies to launch packages of channels that exclude profanity, sex and violence. Many heeded his call, including EchoStar.

But here’s Martin’s predicament: FSTV has a carriage deal with EchoStar pursuant to FCC rules adopted in 1998 that require direct-broadcast satellite carriers to create channel space "for noncommercial programming of an educational or informational nature."

The programming covered by the FCC’s rules must be offered to all satellite subscribers at no additional charge and without any editorial interference from the satellite provider. FCC rules do not address whether family tiers can exclude channels like FSTV with programming that would be deemed indecent under FCC rules that apply to local TV stations.

The FCC was required to establish the DBS set-aside program under section 25 of the Cable Consumer Projection and Competition Act of 1992.

Catering to the political left on social, political and environmental issues, 10-year-old FSTV has a primetime schedule that includes such hour-long programs as Gay USA, Dyke TV and Behind Every Terrorist -- There Is a Bush. Another show, Prison Lullabies, is about "four women struggling with drug addiction" who were "pregnant at the time of their arrest and have all given birth behind bars."

On occasion, FSTV programming includes male and female nudity and the “F-word” unbleeped.

"I would say it does occur from time to time," said general manager Jon Stout of FSTV, which is based in Boulder, Colo. Stout added that he attempts to air that kind of programming at late-night times when most kids are in bed.

When EchoStar unveiled its 40-channel family tier two weeks ago, it disclosed the names of 31 channels to be carried, leaving the rest blank. The lineup so far includes just one public-interest channel, RFD-TV, which provides farm reports, ranching programs and some religious fare for its rural-American target audience.

FSTV was excluded because "we want to offer consumers a family package, a safe haven," EchoStar general counsel and executive vice president David Moskowitz said.

To some extent, cable is facing a similar problem. Under the same 1992 Cable Act, cable systems must carry, and subscribers must purchase, local TV stations and public-access channels in the basic tier at the same time they purchase a family tier from Comcast Corp. or Time Warner Cable.

Indecent programming aired by TV stations and PEG (public, educational and government) channels is beyond the cable system's editorial control. EchoStar's exclusion of FSTV could spark a fight at the FCC.

"Yes, I would have a problem with that," said Andrew Jay Schwartzman, president of the Media Access Project, a public-interest law firm that fought at the FCC to reserve 4% of satellite channels for noncommercial channels like FSTV.

Schwartzman said his preference would be to let families decide whether to block FSTV. "This is not a complete solution, you understand,” he added. “The way out of it is that DirecTV [Inc.] and Dish have much more effective parental-control devices than cable has in the first place. You can block out on a per-channel basis a lot easier than you can on cable."

DirecTV, which does not carry FSTV, is launching its own family tier in April. DirecTV has doubts that FCC rules require family-tier placement of the set-aside channels, according to someone familiar with the company’s thinking who declined to be identified.

But, playing it safe, the top U.S. satellite-TV provider decided to include the set-aside channels in the family package anyway.

An FCC spokeswoman, who asked not to be identified, said that if there is a dispute over FSTV, the agency would likely need to decide whether FSTV can be excluded even though the rules state that the channel "must be available" to all satellite subscribers. EchoStar officials plan to discuss FSTV with the FCC.

"If the FCC takes the position that we are obligated to offer all of the public-interest channels even though some don't appear to be consistent with the family package, then we will have no choice but to do so," Moskowitz said. "If the FCC agrees with us that there is a reasonable basis in the law and rules to exclude certain channels from the package, that would certainly be our preference."

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6302544.html?display=Breaking+News
 
First thing cablewithaview do you think everyone on this forum is going to spend $169.00 to veryify what you posted is the whole article... As a cable technitiion you spend a lot of time bashing E*...:mad:
 
gdarwin said:
First thing cablewithaview do you think everyone on this forum is going to spend $169.00 to veryify what you posted is the whole article... As a cable technitiion you spend a lot of time bashing E*...:mad:

:D You can register for a free trial. when it expires, make up something else. :D
I don't spend a lot of time bashing Echostar, I spend more time posting an article I read out of interest only. I am not responsible for someone else's view, just mine. :rolleyes: "technitiion" :confused: o' you mean technician. :)
 
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I gotta start watching more FSTV.
As for TV and kids, I put effort into world proofing my kids instead of making sure the world is kid safe. So bring on National Geographic specials with their nudity and like educational shows. Heck, Bush bashing is the family, Christian and patriotic thing to do anyway.
The whole family tier is just political hay and marketing bunk for the meddlers and "do-gooders". We'd be so much better off without an FCC anyway.
 
Why does not liking this particular president make you non-family friendly? Do you have to be a Republican to be considered a family? My wife and kids would be shocked to learn we aren't.


I would object more to Fox News being added to the famly tier if I really wanted to complain about what is in that tier. When they have Ann Coulter joking about poisoning a Supreme Court Justice, that doesn't say family friendly to me.

Just my 2 cents.
 
FSTV has some good programming but it also carried unrated and non-family friendly stuff. The Bush-bashing is not the un-friendly part. It has violence and sex as well, and for a family tier it is not exactly what you'd want. Further, the subject matter is rather advanced for most "kids" anyway, in the education and the political realm.

But Cable Guy here likes to post all the problems with Satellite every chance he gets. I keep asking him why he's even posting in a Dish centric forum, but he assures me that he has no agenda... :rolleyes:
 
iKramerica said:
But Cable Guy here likes to post all the problems with Satellite every chance he gets. I keep asking him why he's even posting in a Dish centric forum, but he assures me that he has no agenda... :rolleyes:

Why are you trying to make this out like I have an agenda ??? I have no agenda, I'm neutral in this and simply posted a story on a channel that the FCC and other Family Friendly people finds to be questionable in a package geared for family. I have not watched FSTV in the 2 years I had Dish and don't care to now. Special interest channels are something I don't care to watch. So with that said, I'm not forming no opinion on this.
 
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I thought the point of the Family pack was to avoid paying for channels you don't want, FSTV is free so does it matter? As I understand it they pay for carriage so it really is a free channel. If thats true the family pack should include all of the PI channels.

I think the solution is when someone subs to this package it automatically sets the ratings locks to block the PI channels. That way if people want it they can just unblock it.
 
Exactly! If you're too stupid to figure out how to put a lock on a channel, maybe you should stick to broadcast tv... or no tv... or maybe read a book to your kid?

I also thought the family tier was just to cut down on costs for people who only wanted family programming. Is dish going to cut off all the freebie channels? What about the pentagon channel?
 
Dish Has ‘Free Speech TV’ Problem

By Ted Hearn 1/28/2006 3:00:00 AM
MultiChannelNews.COM

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6302544.html?display=Breaking+News&referral=SUPP&nid=2226

Does a left-leaning network with occasional nudity, some profanity and a rather hefty dose of Bush-bashing deserve a slot on a satellite service’s family-friendly programming tier?

Federal Communications Commission chairman Kevin Martin might need to bring the matter to a head next month after EchoStar Communications Corp. launches its “Dish Family” tier without the edgy fare of Free Speech TV.

Martin, the Republican chief of the nation’s main regulator of video programming, just finished pushing cable- and satellite-television companies to launch packages of channels that exclude profanity, sex and violence. Many heeded his call, including EchoStar.

But here’s Martin’s predicament: FSTV has a carriage deal with EchoStar pursuant to FCC rules adopted in 1998 that require direct-broadcast satellite carriers to create channel space "for noncommercial programming of an educational or informational nature."

The programming covered by the FCC’s rules must be offered to all satellite subscribers at no additional charge and without any editorial interference from the satellite provider. FCC rules do not address whether family tiers can exclude channels like FSTV with programming that would be deemed indecent under FCC rules that apply to local TV stations.
The FCC was required to establish the DBS set-aside program under section 25 of the Cable Consumer Projection and Competition Act of 1992.
Catering to the political left on social, political and environmental issues, 10-year-old FSTV has a primetime schedule that includes such hour-long programs as Gay USA, Dyke TV and Behind Every Terrorist -- There Is a Bush. Another show, Prison Lullabies, is about "four women struggling with drug addiction" who were "pregnant at the time of their arrest and have all given birth behind bars."

On occasion, FSTV programming includes male and female nudity and the “F-word” unbleeped.

"I would say it does occur from time to time," said general manager Jon Stout of FSTV, which is based in Boulder, Colo. Stout added that he attempts to air that kind of programming at late-night times when most kids are in bed.

When EchoStar unveiled its 40-channel family tier two weeks ago, it disclosed the names of 31 channels to be carried, leaving the rest blank. The lineup so far includes just one public-interest channel, RFD-TV, which provides farm reports, ranching programs and some religious fare for its rural-American target audience.

FSTV was excluded because "we want to offer consumers a family package, a safe haven," EchoStar general counsel and executive vice president David Moskowitz said.

To some extent, cable is facing a similar problem. Under the same 1992 Cable Act, cable systems must carry, and subscribers must purchase, local TV stations and public-access channels in the basic tier at the same time they purchase a family tier from Comcast Corp. or Time Warner Cable.
Indecent programming aired by TV stations and PEG (public, educational and government) channels is beyond the cable system's editorial control. EchoStar's exclusion of FSTV could spark a fight at the FCC.

"Yes, I would have a problem with that," said Andrew Jay Schwartzman, president of the Media Access Project, a public-interest law firm that fought at the FCC to reserve 4% of satellite channels for noncommercial channels like FSTV.

Schwartzman said his preference would be to let families decide whether to block FSTV. "This is not a complete solution, you understand,” he added. “The way out of it is that DirecTV [Inc.] and Dish have much more effective parental-control devices than cable has in the first place. You can block out on a per-channel basis a lot easier than you can on cable."
DirecTV, which does not carry FSTV, is launching its own family tier in April. DirecTV has doubts that FCC rules require family-tier placement of the set-aside channels, according to someone familiar with the company’s thinking who declined to be identified.

But, playing it safe, the top U.S. satellite-TV provider decided to include the set-aside channels in the family package anyway.

An FCC spokeswoman, who asked not to be identified, said that if there is a dispute over FSTV, the agency would likely need to decide whether FSTV can be excluded even though the rules state that the channel "must be available" to all satellite subscribers. EchoStar officials plan to discuss FSTV with the FCC.

"If the FCC takes the position that we are obligated to offer all of the public-interest channels even though some don't appear to be consistent with the family package, then we will have no choice but to do so," Moskowitz said. "If the FCC agrees with us that there is a reasonable basis in the law and rules to exclude certain channels from the package, that would certainly be our preference."
 
Ok, I have watched this network, and it makes no bones about being leftwing(unlike some right-wing stations that pretend to be fair and balanced). However, 90% of the programming is boring news stuff that would put most kids to sleep. DemocracyNow, INN World, and Gay USA may be left-wing, but contain nothing sexual or profain. Most kids would think they were just watching the news and hate it.
 
socalpanman said:
I gotta start watching more FSTV.
As for TV and kids, I put effort into world proofing my kids instead of making sure the world is kid safe. So bring on National Geographic specials with their nudity and like educational shows. Heck, Bush bashing is the family, Christian and patriotic thing to do anyway.
The whole family tier is just political hay and marketing bunk for the meddlers and "do-gooders". We'd be so much better off without an FCC anyway.


The family teir is really for 2 objectives:
1. Pleasing the moral values people
2. Making ESPN and the overpriced networks price their carriage rates fairly and not overpay for content. ESPN is going get hurt by these more than any other network.
 
Just block the channel!

I can understand this tier is aimed at people who don't want to pay for a big package if they're blocking most of the channels. But FSTV pays for carriage.

If you don't like something, don't watch it, don't read it, don't listen to it, don't support it. Why does the Religious Right have so much trouble with that concept?
 
Scott Greczkowski said:
Dish Has ‘Free Speech TV’ Problem

By Ted Hearn 1/28/2006 3:00:00 AM
MultiChannelNews.COM

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6302544.html?display=Breaking+News&referral=SUPP&nid=2226

Does a left-leaning network with occasional nudity, some profanity and a rather hefty dose of Bush-bashing deserve a slot on a satellite service’s family-friendly programming tier?

already posted yesterday, go here: http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=54463
 
It seems that no matter what you try (family package) you will not please everyone!! So I say leave the packages in place and have the parents block the stations they find not appropriate for there children!!
 

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