Disney, AT&T in Carriage Dispute Impacting ABC, ESPN

[Juan]

Cable tv would never collapse without it...or even broadcast tv

What’s hogwash about it ?

Sports imo is the one thing , based on how people consume it, that subs would leave for a competitor over.

I’ve been long out of the traditional method of getting tv, but I’d swap to an inferior OTT provider tomorrow if I couldn’t watch my team today.

I’d do the same if I had directv, well before their cutoff that didn’t happen for whatever reason.

I can deal with a tv show that I watch later. I will watch my sports if I’m paying and have a choice.

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[ejb1980]

Cable tv would never collapse without it...or even broadcast tv

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Pretty sure you're dead wrong.

 

[Juan]

Look at dish

Pretty sure you're dead wrong.

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[Don in CT]

Most people that cut the cord do so because the bills are too high from the sports channels. The majority of cable subscribers could care less about sports and want a cheaper bill.

 

[TheRatPatrol]

Most people that cut the cord do so because the bills are too high from the sports channels. The majority of cable subscribers could care less about sports and want a cheaper bill.

And then there are the ones that watch nothing but sports and would like an all sports package without all the other channels.

 

[slice1900]

You also are forgetting the most watched sports, Pro Football is by far mostly on free TV. MLB has but a few games on ESPN and can be had independently of either RSN's or ESPN. Ditto Basketball, Hockey. Sports is big but that isn't the question. Do you really need ESPN, what if FOX Sports or CBS Sports etc remain affordable?

"Free TV" is only free to those who are able and willing to pick up the channels with an antenna. And just because the NFL chooses to be on CBS & Fox now doesn't mean they always will. They will change how they distribute the games if someone dangles more money in front of them.

 

[Bruce]

Most people that cut the cord do so because the bills are too high from the sports channels. The majority of cable subscribers could care less about sports and want a cheaper bill.

I could easily afford a Traditional Provider, I choose to being a cord cutter because I am tired of paying for all those channels ( sports included) that only has one show that I watch on each if that, most channels I would never watch, tired of the box fees for every room that has a TV, local channel fees, local sports fees, etc.

Bought a Tablo Quad ( great box), now getting by with all my locals, Hulu, Netflix ( which has all those cable channel shows that I watch on a delay-some quicker then others ) and soon Disney+ and my bill is roughly $40 a month including the Tablo.


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[Tampa8]

"Free TV" is only free to those who are able and willing to pick up the channels with an antenna. And just because the NFL chooses to be on CBS & Fox now doesn't mean they always will. They will change how they distribute the games if someone dangles more money in front of them.

Well we are talking about the here and now not some hypothetical of leaving the Networks. And free TV, meaning the networks is free, OR if not OTA by far most people already get them and want to continue to get them via Cable and Satellite or even streaming. In fact you made my point for me in another way, more people watch the Networks by far, not even close over cable channels with Fox News being the closet. People who can't get the Networks OTA will and do pay for it because of the variety of programming and local news. They aren't getting them just for the sports which is the case for RSN's, ESPN. Do as DISH did and make the Networks a separate package and a huge percentage of households will get it unless they want an antenna and can get the networks. That isn't the case for ESPN in particular at the cost it would be as a standalone and even the RSN's or at least some of them would have a hard time.

That shouldn't even be a debate, why do you think the RSN's and ESPN 100% insist on being in packages? DISH offered to carry every RSN there is, let them set the price, and make them a la carte. No takers.

 

[Ronnie-]

Most people that cut the cord do so because the bills are too high from the sports channels. The majority of cable subscribers could care less about sports and want a cheaper bill.

Speaking only from my experience, but nearly everyone I know that cut the cord, only did so after they made sure they could still watch live sports.

Sports definitely drive up the prices, on that I do not disagree, but fees and such added more to my overall cost than anything else, and that is the main reason I dropped sat and went with streaming.

 

[Juan]

Back in the 60s..NFL received antitrust protection from congress...one provision had to do with OTA games in local markets...thats why monday and Thursday night football is available in local markets and not exclusive to cable

"Free TV" is only free to those who are able and willing to pick up the channels with an antenna. And just because the NFL chooses to be on CBS & Fox now doesn't mean they always will. They will change how they distribute the games if someone dangles more money in front of them.

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[Juan]

Depends on who you hang out with..guys who cut trees and work in lumber yards watch more sports than a man that likes to be inside all the time

Speaking only from my experience, but nearly everyone I know that cut the cord, only did so after they made sure they could still watch live sports.

Sports definitely drive up the prices, on that I do not disagree, but fees and such added more to my overall cost than anything else, and that is the main reason I dropped sat and went with streaming.

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[Ronnie-]

Depends on who you hang out with..guys who cut trees and work in lumber yards watch more sports than a man that likes to be inside all the time

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Lol, friends across the spectrum, this generalization could not be more untrue. In this area at least.

 

[AMike]

It looks like a deal is done.

Crisis averted? Signs point to an AT&T and Disney carriage deal, keeping ESPN on DirecTV, other AT&T platforms

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

I am told that it is not a done deal yet but they are close but nothing is signed.

With that said I am told they believe there will be no takedown.


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[Athlon646464]

Depends on who you hang out with..guys who cut trees and work in lumber yards watch more sports than a man that likes to be inside all the time

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That's an odd statement for sure.

 

[raoul5788]

That's an odd statement for sure.

Sure is.

 

[slice1900]

Back in the 60s..NFL received antitrust protection from congress...one provision had to do with OTA games in local markets...thats why monday and Thursday night football is available in local markets and not exclusive to cable

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That's only in local markets, which account for maybe half the population of the US. What about people in Iowa or Mississippi or Oregon where they are no NFL teams? They could stop making the games available on broadcast TV in all the rest of the non-NFL markets without violating that agreement.

Not saying they will or should, just that they would in a heartbeat if they could make more money that way.

 

[Juan]

That would have happened when baseball left OTA....but the antitrust thing stopped it...the NFL was a nonprofit organization for a long time(not anymore)...all the money is in the franchises

That's only in local markets, which account for maybe half the population of the US. What about people in Iowa or Mississippi or Oregon where they are no NFL teams? They could stop making the games available on broadcast TV in all the rest of the non-NFL markets without violating that agreement.

Not saying they will or should, just that they would in a heartbeat if they could make more money that way.

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[Tampa8]

Depends on who you hang out with..guys who cut trees and work in lumber yards watch more sports than a man that likes to be inside all the time

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[Jimbo]

Anything official from ATT / Disney of late ?