Hopper Installation Training Materials
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Right.
Several years ago I built my own roof mount platform because there was a possibility I'd end up with 3 dishes and I put three beautiful mount pads for 3 dishes in place ready to go.
Jump forward 6 or 7 years and I go HD and Dish requires their folk install the new dish. No prob. Long ago I quit getting a thrill out of DIY. Now I call some guys and point and write a check.
So the guys show up and first thing out of their mouths is that my mount doesn't meet Dish standards. So I tell them I built it, I own the house and they are not touching it. They can either swap out the new dish where it is or go back to their shop.
Guess what, the mouning platform is still there now sporting a 1000.2(or 4 or whatever).
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Several years ago I built my own roof mount platform because there was a possibility I'd end up with 3 dishes and I put three beautiful mount pads for 3 dishes in place ready to go.
Jump forward 6 or 7 years and I go HD and Dish requires their folk install the new dish. No prob. Long ago I quit getting a thrill out of DIY. Now I call some guys and point and write a check.
So the guys show up and first thing out of their mouths is that my mount doesn't meet Dish standards. So I tell them I built it, I own the house and they are not touching it. They can either swap out the new dish where it is or go back to their shop.
Guess what, the mouning platform is still there now sporting a 1000.2(or 4 or whatever).
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I just can't believe that will be the case. The whole philosophy seems to be, share everything, everything on the network is visible and shareable to all. Unless you want to block tuners in use from view........
navychop said:
Only if he was resently "written up" or put on a "feedback loop", this is mumbo jumbo customers need not worry about.
If the guy coming out wants to keep his pph high, he will fore go worting about the overly excessive QUAS checklist DNS requires installers use.
Shoot my install isnt even grounded nor is it 'upto code'. Its in it works and I have had no issues. I'd use your cable as long as its was rated to the correct freq range.
"Thou shalt not use RG59 to the Recievers"......
Exactly. All I need to do is insert a node between my DPP44 and existing lines going into the house, and swap my 722k and 211k for the Hopper and Joey. Badabing.
No doghouses in my install. (And, I don't pay for anything upfront. Local vendors just don't do that around here.)
Maybe no dog houses - but it would still fail an internal DNS Quality check on multiple fronts: Only 4 lag bolts in the footplate (this alone is enough to fail, you need 6), improper grounding (Al wire not approved, the shiny DPP44s are not approved GBs so GBs must be installed between dish and switch, the mast/footplate is not grounded, can't verify ground source from pic), non-approved cable connectors (the black/silver PPCs are fine, the pre-made cable ends are not), some picky QAS might hit you for no service loops and improper cable clips too, but most wouldn't since there are no drip issues. All-in-all I could have your install up to code in about 30 minutes though, it's not terrible (assuming the ground source is approved).
The noob means well, Gary. However he's not as familiar with people here who install and maintain their own equipment.
What's with the premade made coax? No way in hell I would use that for any of my equipment, not even to hook up a VCR.
No probs. You and I both know it's a perfectly fine user install. I've never lost signal in this, or my previous 3, homes. Good signal strength, too. And, nothing has ever fallen off, either. (If 4 bolts in the base, plus 2 on the tie rods, can't hold it to the side of your house, there's something wrong with your house.)
I use quality premade all the time. Have for years. Works fine. Of course, if I was installing for a living, I wouldn't. I'd be pulling from a box, and crimping, obviously.
GaryPen said:
Change out a few lag bolts to meet spec and a few of those non outdoor connectors and I'd leave this the hell alone. Excellent for a diy.
gtal98 said:
It definitely wouldnt be a big pita.
just wasted time.
Tyralak said:
Oh look it's this guy dumpinng on my posts again.
Great we have the opinion of such a fine DNS tech such as yourself....
Quit following me from topic to topic posting arrogant and condescending BS. You're not contributing only starting an immature argument.
This topic could go on forever.
I could get signal using a pie tin if I really put the effort into shaping it... Fact is though the standards are over the top and harm more then they help: they're there to protect you guys. From poor work. If you're too proud to realize it is a blanket standard with little to no exception you are missing the point. We don't enjoy the extra unpaid work. We loathe it; but it still serves to protect your investment. The majority of you do not have the means to tell a length of cable has a fail somewhere in the stinger nor that an lnbf has drift. So as I said; do the installation as you see fit but do not expect a DNS tech to bring it back up to code when he comes out. Or to work on it at all without compensatiion. We do this for a living.
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Folks...
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Thanks for getting this one back on topic guys!
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For those installers who value your craft and wish to discuss your trade we have a special forum just for installers. Please feel free to use that forum to discuss install techniques and procedures.SatelliteGuys is proud not only to have America's Largest Satellite Forum for Consumers, but also America's largest installers forum as well.
Thanks for getting this one back on topic guys!
Scott Greczkowski said:Folks...
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Thanks for getting this one back on topic guys!
Yikes the 5/0 jump ship!
Roger that.
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UTMTech said:
I don't consider them poor techs. I just think grounding is maybe the first thing skipped. I'm not trying to insult anybody.
navychop said:
Well grounding won't make your system go out in week. Poor mounting quality (to tin roof not striking a stud or beam) will.
I don't follow it all to the T myself but I do make sure it will last. Just want to make sure I do quality work.
Such as that done by the MoCA engineers (suddenly back on topic)
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Quite an ego you have if you think I'm following you around.
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Yep. That would be the way to do it. Or 3 lines to a dual node, and you still have one left over if you end up being able to keep a ViP receiver.
I dedicate output 1 for the DPP44 PSU right now. I didn't wanna run two PSU's down a single diplexed line. (I also use one for the OTA preamp.)
