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Woa..... This is cool.. I think..
I hope MeTV can remain FTA throughout all these changes though... :behindsofa:
MeTV is one of the very best channels of all time..
I just would hate to see them go off of FTA and even more scary, I would hate to see them go the way of TVland which is total BS now.
The other scary thing, I see MeTV taking up more and more of the same exact shows that air on RTV & PBJ.
I added to TitanTV ALL the Luken channels that scan in on 87, both 3800 & 4080 which is like about 80 channels.
One week I'll look at Titan and it lists the affiliates as showing Luken programs. Then next week I'll browse through, trying to find maybe an Alfred Hitchcock or Off Beat Cinema that's playing off the national schedule and I'll see that affiliates that last week were displaying Luken stuff in the guide have switched to MeTV all of a sudden. It seems to happen pretty often. So I'll tune to the channel and I'll see that it's gone from showing programs to displaying a graphic that says something like "This channel available, call Luken @ bla bla bla." I can't grab an example at the moment, it's raining really hard and it appears to have knocked out ALL of the Luken stuff on 87. The Luken S2 content is soooo touchy and sensitive to pretty much anything messing it up..
Anyway, what I'm getting at is that it looks like MeTV is killing Luken, big times. I would hate to lose the option. Especially PBJ. I love the old Harvey Toons which I grew up with. I haven't seen those since I was little and that was a loooong time ago...
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I wish Luken would clean up their signal. I don't see the use or point of them carrying 80+ affiliate signals on 87w, that can't be inexpensive. They should drop all that nonsense and go back to providing a NICE quality picture, like they did in the beginning and try to bag some better, new and unique content. All those Canadian crime shows from the 80's?? Seriously??
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I hope MeTV can remain FTA throughout all these changes though... :behindsofa:
MeTV is one of the very best channels of all time..
I just would hate to see them go off of FTA and even more scary, I would hate to see them go the way of TVland which is total BS now.
The other scary thing, I see MeTV taking up more and more of the same exact shows that air on RTV & PBJ.
I added to TitanTV ALL the Luken channels that scan in on 87, both 3800 & 4080 which is like about 80 channels.
One week I'll look at Titan and it lists the affiliates as showing Luken programs. Then next week I'll browse through, trying to find maybe an Alfred Hitchcock or Off Beat Cinema that's playing off the national schedule and I'll see that affiliates that last week were displaying Luken stuff in the guide have switched to MeTV all of a sudden. It seems to happen pretty often. So I'll tune to the channel and I'll see that it's gone from showing programs to displaying a graphic that says something like "This channel available, call Luken @ bla bla bla." I can't grab an example at the moment, it's raining really hard and it appears to have knocked out ALL of the Luken stuff on 87. The Luken S2 content is soooo touchy and sensitive to pretty much anything messing it up..
Anyway, what I'm getting at is that it looks like MeTV is killing Luken, big times. I would hate to lose the option. Especially PBJ. I love the old Harvey Toons which I grew up with. I haven't seen those since I was little and that was a loooong time ago...
:I wish Luken would clean up their signal. I don't see the use or point of them carrying 80+ affiliate signals on 87w, that can't be inexpensive. They should drop all that nonsense and go back to providing a NICE quality picture, like they did in the beginning and try to bag some better, new and unique content. All those Canadian crime shows from the 80's?? Seriously??
:They pay by the transponder so if they put one station on there or 40 they pay the same. It goes by the bandwidth
Originally when RTV started (before MeTV went nationwide and Antenna TV started) RTV had lots of customized stations because in some markets the shows they had were already being shown on different stations. An example I remember was Little House. In Green Bay, WI RTV was added but they couldnt show Little House because the Fox station there already had the rights (kinda like Lucy Show) so it was customized and at one point most of those stations did show different programming.
But then the rights got lost for RTV for some shows and so they are now cookie cutter in alot of markets except for the ID at the top of the hour.
I agree
Dee, Harvey Toons are now on Angel 2 (Dish Network) everynight. Angel 2 might be FTA, but I don't know for sure.
Forgive me, I'm going to rearrange your message a little bit to bring similar thoughts together.
Nah, not killing. I wouldn't have taken this job if I was worried about the future of Luken Communications.
Luken requires its affiliates to utilize a 3.8 meter dish to receive its C-band feeds. The Ku feed is supposed to be a backup but I can name three affiliates, off the top of my head, that are using it as their only source.
One service Luken offers is the ability to provide a feed direct to the affiliate with local spots included. Fewer and fewer stations need the service as master control equipment gets upgraded with the ability to handle multiple streams, though we are still finding stations that do not have such equipment and so our service interests them. As a result, you'll observe that some of the feeds are getting moved around and consolidated. And you're right, it's not inexpensive. To help with that expense, DVB-S2 and MPEG-4 and other things are designed to make optimal use of the bandwidth available in the transponder given the expense involved, but as you've observed, they make reception more challenging for viewers and affiliates. When you do the numbers though, to spend the money on larger dishes or slightly more expensive receivers quickly pays for itself versus the cost of additional transponder(s).
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The other scary thing, I see MeTV taking up more and more of the same exact shows that air on RTV & PBJ.
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Anyway, what I'm getting at is that it looks like MeTV is killing Luken, big times. I would hate to lose the option. Especially PBJ. I love the old Harvey Toons which I grew up with. I haven't seen those since I was little and that was a loooong time ago...
Nah, not killing. I wouldn't have taken this job if I was worried about the future of Luken Communications.
Luken requires its affiliates to utilize a 3.8 meter dish to receive its C-band feeds. The Ku feed is supposed to be a backup but I can name three affiliates, off the top of my head, that are using it as their only source.
I don't see the use or point of them carrying 80+ affiliate signals on 87w, that can't be inexpensive. They should drop all that nonsense and go back to providing a NICE quality picture, like they did in the beginning and try to bag some better, new and unique content. All those Canadian crime shows from the 80's?? Seriously??
One service Luken offers is the ability to provide a feed direct to the affiliate with local spots included. Fewer and fewer stations need the service as master control equipment gets upgraded with the ability to handle multiple streams, though we are still finding stations that do not have such equipment and so our service interests them. As a result, you'll observe that some of the feeds are getting moved around and consolidated. And you're right, it's not inexpensive. To help with that expense, DVB-S2 and MPEG-4 and other things are designed to make optimal use of the bandwidth available in the transponder given the expense involved, but as you've observed, they make reception more challenging for viewers and affiliates. When you do the numbers though, to spend the money on larger dishes or slightly more expensive receivers quickly pays for itself versus the cost of additional transponder(s).
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Ah.. Well bummer for me.. I only have a 10' dish..
Usually, reception is rarely a problem for me anymore since I got the 10' dish put up. Every once in a while some things drop off when the weather gets nasty or if strong winds are buffeting the dish about but it's pretty rare and I can live with it.
What I really meant by my statement that Luken needs to clean the signal up is that the video is extremely compressed and looks really bad on an HD set. All my sets are now 1080p flat screens and they just amplify the video errors.
I may not be the brightest bulb on the string but I'm an amateur photographer and I know about and understand image quality and compression. I have a Canon EOS 5D mark II and with lenses and accessories it's worth the price of a nice car. It also takes 1080p video that is BETTER quality than a $25,000 Red One HD camera can do... I'm also a tetrachromat which means I can see colors that most people can not. So I'm ultra attentive to image quality. That's why I bought the best DSLR you can get. Anyway..
You can take a still image or a video (which is essentially a string of still images) and you can do several things with it.
1. You can send it to someone with near zero compression (lossless) and the image / video will be BIG but retains it's original quality.
2. You can send it with SOME compression (lossy) at a reasonable quality of say 80% to 75% and still have a fairly decent image and a much smaller file size.
3. You can send it compressed all to dickens at say a really nasty, black hearted compression rate that gives you like 20% of the original quality that looks HORRIBLE but gives you a very, very small file size that transmits quickly and cheaply.
#3 is what Luken is doing. I don't have any way to definitively state that the quality is X or the compression ratio they use is X but it's pretty bad.
I do have a 7" LCD TV that uses the yellow video cables (old school) and the Luken channels look pretty decent on the tiny screen.
But on a big screen, the quality is not there, the data has been compressed away and the tuner has to make up for the lost image data by playing blotchy LEGO games with the picture.
In the early days, the video quality of RTV was really nice when it was 720x480.. Now it's 352x480 (on 83w) which is essentially VHS quality. On 87w it's 720x480 but it's so heavily compressed that it looks no better than the 320x480. I suspect that it's just the 352x480 video being upscaled like some DVD players do these days. I can't prove that of course but it's what I suspect. And the 480, is really only 240 lines on an old school TV.
I don't know how things work on a satellite or at the station where they make it all happen but I very much understand image quality and the disaster of image compression. People like my Dad, would never notice this because he simply isn't aware of these things or attuned to them. Most people aren't. Most people, you could give a sheet of graph paper and crayons to a drunken chimp and have him make a Mutoscope flipbook video and most people would be thrilled with the quality.
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For goodness sakes, it's 2012.. I just can't understand why someone would still be transmitting a 1971 VHS quality signal anymore.
All I can say is thank goodness they forced the old TV standards to die as far as OTA television goes. Things are getting better as the dinosaurs die off.
We'll still be watching stuff with black bars on the sides for a few hundred years, at least until future generations bury our oldies for the last time.
But thankfully new content is being made to fit wide screens now. But it would be nice if broadcasters could have mercy upon our eyes and back off on the heavy handed compression, it really looks bloody horrible..
That's what happens to people when you're unemployed for too long and you've got OCD issues..
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Dee, is that dish farm in the post your pics of the dish farm thread, if not, it should be.
sorry this is not on topic, i just liked her pics.
sorry this is not on topic, i just liked her pics.
Yes, those are actually my dishes as they are right now.
I need to take a few down or aim them at something else now that we've lost 101..
Maybe I'll aim that one at 103 and skew it over 20 degrees of normal.
I have one sitting on a NPRM I need to put an LNB on and aim it at 30w.
I have a 1.2m I need to convert into a mini-bud and aim it at something useful with a strong signal.
Time for a big re-do.. I'm getting pretty used to it the way things get shaken up every few months.
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I need to take a few down or aim them at something else now that we've lost 101..
Maybe I'll aim that one at 103 and skew it over 20 degrees of normal.
I have one sitting on a NPRM I need to put an LNB on and aim it at 30w.
I have a 1.2m I need to convert into a mini-bud and aim it at something useful with a strong signal.
Time for a big re-do.. I'm getting pretty used to it the way things get shaken up every few months.
Yup... Most definitely the ravings of a true SatelliteGuy or SatelliteGal!
I agree. Nice farm Dee. If those were in my yard with a normal Winter, 3/4 of them would be under the snow!
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