Official 4DTV Conversion to W5/X4 services only infornmation post

[tasherman]

Ok it's been an hour. Most of the channels in my package (SKH2H-Deluxe-PK) have audio & video. A few (BBC, HGTVw, Military, Science, Green & DisHealth) say subscription required even though their suppose to be in my package. The sat maps are there and I can move the dish to C3 C-span1 and it's fine. However I have no schedule unlike others. When I try to bring it up, it says "available on G1". Can anyone confirm the following:
1) The fact that my receiver now shows EMM 4160 means the Auth Reset was successful?
2) The fact that I can view channels such as History, IFC, NatGeo means that my receiver must have been rehit/authorized?
3) The fact that my trip counter is still 1 after the password reset must mean that it also rehit my receiver in the same trip (not sure if I using the right terminology here)?
4) Why does my receiver still think the guide is on G1?
5) Should I Unplug it and see if it reverts to EMM 4096?

 

[tvropro]

No way I doing a auth reset yet, I'll loose my Discovery 3-Pak that is working.

Are y'all still able to get the FP and U channels after doing a auth reset?

You will loose the 4096 Category keys free views by the end of the month. Then we will have to sub. I'm still watching my MTV mini pack on W5 that ran out Dec 22 using the left over keys. Starz on G1 & G5 already went to commercial only new keys. Expect the others to follow suit except W5/X4. Those will just die of old age by the 31st. You learned something about the digicipher now. It don't care about authorization as long as all the pointers line up in your unit and working key is valid Motorola actually gave us all a lesson in hacking. It works just like VC-2 I've been saying this for years.

After the AR you will get FP & ZK not sure about the old 4096 U's probably not.

 

[TheTechGuru]

"Then we will have to sub"

How? Discovery East/Animal Planet/TLC are not sub-able as of yet. I want to keep it working as long as I can.

I also need to check the free channels that are important to me for their Auth Status. I think one of them is "U" and it might be GB-802 which is a important one for me.

 

[tvropro]

You will have to wait till they are added down the road. GB 802 is a 4096 "U" channel I believe it will probably disappear. Ask Davage to check it he can confirm. GB 410 also a "U" channel is gone with 4160. Things will never be the same I know.

 

[Davage]

You will have to wait till they are added down the road. GB 802 is a 4096 "U" channel I believe it will probably disappear. Ask Davage to check it he can confirm. GB 410 also a "U" channel is gone with 4160. Things will never be the same I know.

GB 802 = This channel is not available.

 

[sheikdog]

TVpro
i did the work around still getting my programming on w5 and x4 after authorization reset
emm was 0 on w5 but reverted back to 4096 when i changed sats and went back to w5
I can't get guide on w5/x4 and can't get tvland on x4 all other channels on pick10 ok.

 

[TheTechGuru]

So, I guess I should have my 905's ID removed from WebSAMS so no accidents happen and do the auth reset on my 922 only to sub to W5 when the Discovery East key gets changed.

 

[stargaze]

"Then we will have to sub"

How? Discovery East/Animal Planet/TLC are not sub-able as of yet. I want to keep it working as long as I can.

I also need to check the free channels that are important to me for their Auth Status. I think one of them is "U" and it might be GB-802 which is a important one for me.

I took my 922 receiver over to W5, had BBC America coming in fine as I was subbed using Websams before.
My guide indicator was still listed as 1 (on) under diagnostic screen A at this time.

I managed to get the EMM changed over to "0" on my diagnostic A screen, before it was listed as "1".
(I have never seen the actual EMM number 4160 or 4096 anyplace on my 922 receiver)
I am assuming the EMM is in the middle of the third full line usually beginning with FED4 then either the 1 or 0 after this. On Diag A screen.
If this is not so then I have no idea where in the heck people are seeing this EMM number on the 922 & 920 receivers.

I went to WebSams web site and hit activate service, the guide indicator went to '0' (off) and then I pressed the send hits button on the web site and the guide indicator went back to "1" on the 922 but I lost BBC America and all the Discovery channels that I had a sub with.
Went to GB-410 and it came up as "Channel not available".
Took my other 4dtv receiver the 920 and went to GB-410 and it comes in fine same with GB-802, but I have not gone over to W5 or X4 with the 920 receiver yet.
and won't if it is going to do this to me.
At one point the FED4 on diag screen A went to all 0's then it came back on the 922 with FED4 0
I did notice that the 922 will play the "U" service on W5-603 (color bars at this time.) But it will not pull in any 'U' service on any other satellite.
The 922 will NOT pull in the 2 channels that are FP on G1 using CE icon either. The 'missing ratings info' page comes up.

IMO this is not worth going to W5/X4 to get the EMM changed or to take a new hit at this time.

 

[tvropro]

Eventually the old 4096 category key will expire unless you could update the CK to a new 4096 key (ain't gonna happen without hacking). Once thats gone OC the 4096 "U" channels will be history. 4160 will only authorize"U" channels HITS is associated with like the 603 color bars, like old ALN.

 

[stargaze]

also interesting find was that the 922 receiver would not, that's right, WOULD NOT, do the FP /ZK channels either.
Tried Edusat and they showed a good quality number but nada! Then went to NEB PBS and again the same thing NADA!
Unplugged the receiver while on Neb PBS and then it finally came in same as Edusat.

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[TheTechGuru]

The 922 will NOT pull in the 2 channels that are FP on G1 using CE icon either. The 'missing ratings info' page comes up.

There is a way around that, read the thread in WUT.

 

[dhj]

also interesting find was that the 922 receiver would not, that's right, WOULD NOT, do the FP /ZK channels either.
Tried Edusat and they showed a good quality number but nada! Then went to NEB PBS and again the same thing NADA!
Unplugged the receiver while on Neb PBS and then it finally came in same as Edusat.

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Some of the "unpluggers" reported their EMM went back to 4096. Definitely with EMM 4160, you're able to get M5? How about generics such as on T7?

 

[stargaze]

Some of the "unpluggers" reported their EMM went back to 4096. Definitely with EMM 4160, you're able to get M5? How about generics such as on T7?

As I stated, the FP/ZK channels do not come in unless you unplug the 922 receiver.
I do not know what other receiver models are doing I am saying on the 922 this is what is going on.

 

[stargaze]

There is a way around that, read the thread in WUT.

Thanks, I did remember the workaround thing. I usually ended up using the 920 whenever I ran into it with the 922 before or I just hooked up the commercial receiver. The workaround only lasted like 15 minutes on the 922's If I remember correctly.

 

[eurosport]

GB 802 = This channel is not available.

This is a deal breaker for me. My family enjoys this channel so between that, and GB 410, I will not be converting or subbing my 920. I have a DSR 410 coming and I will sub with it.

 

[tvropro]

This is a deal breaker for me. My family enjoys this channel so between that, and GB 410, I will not be converting or subbing my 920. I have a DSR 410 coming and I will sub with it.

Those channels will probably die when the Category key from 4096 expires. This whole conversion thing is leaving a bad taste in my mouth now. It seems Motorola is hell bent on taking ALL hobby aspects away from us. I wonder if some bug bit went out months ago to all our IRD's while in the stream?

 

[sergei]

Has Mike had a chance to post the Master Reset procedure that he talked about last night, I've looked and so far have not found it.

 

[stargaze]

Those channels will probably die when the Category key from 4096 expires. This whole conversion thing is leaving a bad taste in my mouth now. It seems Motorola is hell bent on taking ALL hobby aspects away from us. I wonder if some bug bit went out months ago to all our IRD's while in the stream?

Maybe/ maybe not. If I remember correctly, if your receiver was subbed one time, those channels using the 'U' status would play on the receiver.
I had never witnessed any of my receivers not playing them even when one of them had not taken a monthly update. I am not going to put out info that would confuse people, just saying sit tight and wait till we see what really happens when the next month rolls around, meanwhile those who are doing nothing at this time can enjoy those dcII signals using the 'U' status. Anyone doing the conversion process kiss them goodbye forever!

I highly doubt some "bug bits" went out some time ago and that is not being helpful to those seeking real answers as to what would happen now if they did the workaround process/ complete conversion process/ or are just sitting back afraid to go to any DCII signal waiting for the all clear from those of us who have ventured out to see what is going on right now and report back exactly what is going on.

I have heard people saying things like, " I still get everything like before" yet when questioned further it becomes apparent they had not completed either the conversion process or the workaround process properly. This is not helping the situation with getting the correct info out there, and that is all people are asking for. The correct information.

Also people are throwing out the EMM number like everyone should be able to see either 4160 or 4096; and this is just not true! Some receivers may display this EMM number but those with a 922 or a 920 do not display this number like that. I have even see one post a picture with the EMM number, not all receivers have the same display.

 

[Corrado]

In the event our generics stop working altogether next month on the 4D boxes as theorized, I wonder if those of us with commercial receivers will be spared? The DCII commercial receivers must function pretty much on the same principle. Perhaps M's way of clearing more eyes away from the feeds that might be ITC now and then.

Just thinking out loud...IMO

 

[stargaze]

In the event our generics stop working altogether next month on the 4D boxes as theorized,

Whoa! What are you talking about? No one has said this!

IF you have NOT done the workaround nor the complete conversion then nothing changes with your generics .

If you performed the workaround process you may need to unplug the receiver on another satellite away from W5/X4 and replug it back in to receive FP or ZK channels.

No one has said or theorized that the generics would no longer work next month.
If they have they are talking out their backside and have nothing backing them up.

It is exactly this type of MISINFORMATION that is running rampant and needs to be stopped.

(No I am not picking on you personally, just using one line you made to make a clear point so others do not continue doing the same.)