The End of DIRECTV?

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Umm ever hear of google or facebook..its about collecting your habits and selling them...you..the customer..are the product being sold to advertisers...who inturn try to sell to you..point to point singles you out

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They can't single you out any better point to point than they can if your Genie is connected to the internet. Either way they can find out what you are watching, when, from where, for how long and so on.
 
Must be some reason

Must be some reason for what? Are you one of those people making the assumption that Directv is dropping satellite and going all IP? Because that's a ridiculous idea with no sound business case. They will continue to offer satellite for years to come, because they will already have the satellites and it makes zero financial sense to quit offering the service so long as the satellites are still viable.

They are going to offer an IP version because 1) it will be cheaper to install thanks to no home visit or Genie needing to be deployed and 2) to expand their potential market since there are many people who can't/won't subscribe to satellite because they live in an apartment building, have trees in the way (that would be me) or simply don't want a dish on their roof for whatever reason.

Its doubly ridiculous to suggest that a company would offer video via LEO satellites that offer internet (as was suggested earlier) when that would be FAR more expensive to deliver than via nationwide broadcast like Directv is already doing.
 
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Hmmm

Just noticed that they are apparently not using any transponders at the 110w KU slot - The Directv 5 satellite which was launched back in 2002 is located there.
Wonder what they are up to?
 
Hmmm

Just noticed that they are apparently not using any transponders at the 110w KU slot - The Directv 5 satellite which was launched back in 2002 is located there.
Wonder what they are up to?

Once they moved T15 to 101 they were able to use its ability to direct a beam to Puerto Rico to eliminate the need for 110. The last few channels were moved off it, and Puerto Rico now gets their guide info from 101 like everyone else.

It has life until 2022 so it doesn't have to be retired yet, we'll just have to see what sort of FCC filings come. If they want to use it in the US for some unknown purpose it'll need to be tilted back towards CONUS, or if they want to retire it they won't bother with that and they'll just file to do so. Or they could just leave it as is until it must be retired, and basically "squat" on those transponders to keep Dish from using them.

While it is possible they might have some short term use for it, it seems very unlikely to me that 110 or 119 will be used in the US after the MPEG2 SD shutdown. They won't need the bandwidth, and installs will be simpler if everyone is 99/101/103 only.
 
While it is possible they might have some short term use for it, it seems very unlikely to me that 110 or 119 will be used in the US after the MPEG2 SD shutdown. They won't need the bandwidth, and installs will be simpler if everyone is 99/101/103 only.

Is the mpeg2 shutdown date imminent?


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Must be some reason for what? Are you one of those people making the assumption that Directv is dropping satellite and going all IP? Because that's a ridiculous idea with no sound business case. They will continue to offer satellite for years to come, because they will already have the satellites and it makes zero financial sense to quit offering the service so long as the satellites are still viable.

They are going to offer an IP version because 1) it will be cheaper to install thanks to no home visit or Genie needing to be deployed and 2) to expand their potential market since there are many people who can't/won't subscribe to satellite because they live in an apartment building, have trees in the way (that would be me) or simply don't want a dish on their roof for whatever reason.

Its doubly ridiculous to suggest that a company would offer video via LEO satellites that offer internet (as was suggested earlier) when that would be FAR more expensive to deliver than via nationwide broadcast like Directv is already doing.
I assume you are not aware that traditional cable/ satellite service is dying...its too expensive with not enough options...streaming allows a customized experience for the customer..they only buy the services they want..no longer forced to buy 250 channels they mostly don't watch

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I assume you are not aware that traditional cable/ satellite service is dying...its too expensive with not enough options...streaming allows a customized experience for the customer..they only buy the services they want..no longer forced to buy 250 channels they mostly don't watch

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It's also not as convenient for the average customer. That matters to a lot of people.
 
It's also not as convenient for the average customer. That matters to a lot of people.
What do you call the average customer?..Streaming isn't for the older crowd that likes to turn on tv and flip to a channel but anyone under 55 can figure it out pretty easily especially when they are tired of exorbitantly high price increases for a bunch of channels they never watch..obviously if you live in a area with no broadband you are stuck with cable or satellite but most town and cities have good internet

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What do you call the average customer?..Streaming isn't for the older crowd that likes to turn on tv and flip to a channel but anyone under 55 can figure it out pretty easily especially when they are tired of exorbitantly high price increases for a bunch of channels they never watch..obviously if you live in a area with no broadband you are stuck with cable or satellite but most town and cities have good internet

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My swag is the average Directv customer is at least 55. Figuring out streaming isn't difficult. If you really only watch a dozen or so channels then streaming is a good choice, but if you are like me and the number is more like 40-50, then finding what you want to watch with streaming is a PIA, and the price difference isn't going to be all that much.
 
My swag is the average Directv customer is at least 55. Figuring out streaming isn't difficult. If you really only watch a dozen or so channels then streaming is a good choice, but if you are like me and the number is more like 40-50, then finding what you want to watch with streaming is a PIA, and the price difference isn't going to be all that much.
True..the biggest obstacle will be local channels..the vast majority of cable channels are useless..its a matter of finding your shows

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Isn’t there a time limit to squatting on slots? Use it or lose it?

Or can they/are they using a single transponder sending a signal no one is using?


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I assume you are not aware that traditional cable/ satellite service is dying...its too expensive with not enough options...streaming allows a customized experience for the customer..they only buy the services they want..no longer forced to buy 250 channels they mostly don't watch

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You are correct about streaming gaining in popularity. However it has began to deviate from when it first started. I believe SlingTV has went up about $5 per package from when it began (at least) and DirecTv Now has also raised prices. The ‘a-la-carte’ options like the Amazon Prime ‘channels’ are at least $8-10 per month a piece, that adds up pretty quick. The point I am trying to make is, streaming is taking the same path as DBS did. Starting with reasonable rates to get customers ‘hooked’ and then going up a little at a time. I know that DirecTv Now additions went way down last quarter, I assume the price increase might have had something to do with it, and they could have changed promotions as well. It seems to me, unless you really really want only two or three channels the stand alone channel option, such as CBS Now, or the Amazon Prime 'channels' are a big expense. DirecTv Now and Sling are at least more like traditional cable/DBS.
 
You are correct about streaming gaining in popularity. However it has began to deviate from when it first started. I believe SlingTV has went up about $5 per package from when it began (at least) and DirecTv Now has also raised prices. The ‘a-la-carte’ options like the Amazon Prime ‘channels’ are at least $8-10 per month a piece, that adds up pretty quick. The point I am trying to make is, streaming is taking the same path as DBS did. Starting with reasonable rates to get customers ‘hooked’ and then going up a little at a time. I know that DirecTv Now additions went way down last quarter, I assume the price increase might have had something to do with it, and they could have changed promotions as well. It seems to me, unless you really really want only two or three channels the stand alone channel option, such as CBS Now, or the Amazon Prime 'channels' are a big expense. DirecTv Now and Sling are at least more like traditional cable/DBS.
Yup...but lets see how many are willing to keep paying more

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Isn’t there a time limit to squatting on slots? Use it or lose it?

Or can they/are they using a single transponder sending a signal no one is using?


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If 110 and 119 become surplus, I'm wondering if they might sublease then to dish.

Counting their empty transponders up and looking at their sat fleet, Dish probably could squeeze all of the 129 service onto the diirectv transponders.

It would explain why they have not yet reported a renewal if their ciel2 lease.

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If 110 and 119 become surplus, I'm wondering if they might sublease then to dish.

Counting their empty transponders up and looking at their sat fleet, Dish probably could squeeze all of the 129 service onto the diirectv transponders.

It would explain why they have not yet reported a renewal if their ciel2 lease.

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They won't sell dish HBO

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Still scheduled for April 1st 2019 the last I heard.

There have been multiple dates given in the letters people have shared online, and the letters talk about losing their locals. It looks like they are shutting it down with different markets at different times. I think the latest date was like July or August, I can't remember.

It is bizarre that Directv keeps this so close to the vest. Why wouldn't they simply have a web page somewhere that lists the markets, their schedule, and when all MPEG2 SD is shut down if not in tandem with the last local market? If they think they might change the schedule, put a disclaimer that schedule is subject to change.
 
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To avoid loss of service

CS upgrading me with Genie 2 - worth it?

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