Voom PQ?
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I am very pleased because it's better than anything I had before. My personal opinion is that cable and E* sucked compared to Voom, especially with respect to SD channels.
There are several videophiles here who will point out issues, especially with the HD. But I am happy with it most of the time. (I do see occassional shows where I'm not very pleased with the quality, but it could be the source wasn't good to begin with.)
There are several videophiles here who will point out issues, especially with the HD. But I am happy with it most of the time. (I do see occassional shows where I'm not very pleased with the quality, but it could be the source wasn't good to begin with.)
Its looking better and better compared to Directv everyday. I watched the fight on HBO this weekend on Voom. Then I saw the thread on how bad it looked on Directv. I cant believe they stay and put up with it. Their downrezzing to 1280x1080 for all 1080 channels and bit rate reduction is destroying their PQ. http://www.widemovies.com/dfwbitrate.html
I am also hearing rumblings about E* PQ. WHile they are at 1920x1080i they are rencoding and reducing the quality. Voom's SD is also looking even better with the new harmonic encoders.
I am also hearing rumblings about E* PQ. WHile they are at 1920x1080i they are rencoding and reducing the quality. Voom's SD is also looking even better with the new harmonic encoders.
I was able to compare Voom with my local cable head to head (Adelphia). I found that Voom's SD channels were clearly superior. But I found that a number of the HD channels were clearly better through cable including the premium channels and Discovery HD. Some of the Voom HD channels such as Rave, Rush, HD News, etc. seem to have excellent picture quality. But my experience is that some others like the premium channels and Discovery HD are rather soft from Voom. Perhaps they are maxing out their bandwidth by offering so many HD channels. I've heard many argue in this forum that Voom's customers would be better served if they got rid of some of the less interesting HD channels (e.g., MOOV) and improved their pq on their remaining channels.
neo0285 said:
Who said all cable quality is a 10? Cable can vary greatly even from the same provider depending on the infrastructure between you and the signal origin.
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Here is a site that shows resolution for certain Voom Channels
http://www.coolstf.com/Voom/
Just click on each picture, then it gives the info, like this for MonstersHD:
Program Number: 3 MONSTERS
Descriptor: CA Descriptor
CA System ID: 18249 (0x4749) Motorola DCII
CA PID 489 (0x01e9)
Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video PID 464 (0x01d0)
MPEG Video: Bitrate 80.000 Mbps Resolution 1440 x 1080i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 16:9 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Descriptor: ATSC Caption Service Descriptor
e2 65 6e 67 7e 3f ff 65 6e 67 c1 3f ff .eng~?.eng.?.
http://www.coolstf.com/Voom/
Just click on each picture, then it gives the info, like this for MonstersHD:
Program Number: 3 MONSTERS
Descriptor: CA Descriptor
CA System ID: 18249 (0x4749) Motorola DCII
CA PID 489 (0x01e9)
Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video PID 464 (0x01d0)
MPEG Video: Bitrate 80.000 Mbps Resolution 1440 x 1080i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 16:9 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Descriptor: ATSC Caption Service Descriptor
e2 65 6e 67 7e 3f ff 65 6e 67 c1 3f ff .eng~?.eng.?.
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vurbano said:
That is for the whole transponder, then it is divided up, go to the bottom of each page.
PID Usage Chart
0x0000 (0.01% ~ 0.01 Mbps) 0x0000 MPEG-2 Program Assocation Table
0x0001 (0.04% ~ 0.02 Mbps) 0x0001 MPEG-2 Conditional Access Table
0x0010 (5.35% - 2.58 Mbps) 0x0010 MPEG-2 Video for program 5
0x0011 (0.40% ~ 0.19 Mbps) 0x0011 AC-3 Audio for program 5
0x0029 (0.01% ~ 0.01 Mbps) 0x0029 MPEG-2 PMT for program 5
0x0050 (6.14% - 2.96 Mbps) 0x0050 MPEG-2 Video for program 6
0x0051 (0.39% ~ 0.19 Mbps) 0x0051 AC-3 Audio for program 6
0x0069 (0.04% ~ 0.02 Mbps) 0x0069 MPEG-2 PMT for program 6
0x0090 (5.26% - 2.53 Mbps) 0x0090 MPEG-2 Video for program 7
0x0091 (0.40% ~ 0.19 Mbps) 0x0091 AC-3 Audio for program 7
0x00a9 (0.04% ~ 0.02 Mbps) 0x00a9 MPEG-2 PMT for program 7
0x00c0 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x00c0 EMM for system ID 0x0953 (2387) News Datacom
0x00d0 (6.93% - 3.34 Mbps) 0x00d0 MPEG-2 Video for program 8
0x00d1 (0.39% ~ 0.19 Mbps) 0x00d1 AC-3 Audio for program 8
0x00e9 (0.04% ~ 0.02 Mbps) 0x00e9 MPEG-2 PMT for program 8
0x0190 (15.66% - 7.55 Mbps) 0x0190 MPEG-2 Video for program 2
0x0191 (0.78% ~ 0.38 Mbps) 0x0191 AC-3 Audio for program 2
0x01a9 (0.01% ~ 0.01 Mbps) 0x01a9 MPEG-2 PMT for program 2
0x01d0 (13.92% - 6.71 Mbps) 0x01d0 MPEG-2 Video for program 3
0x01d1 (0.78% ~ 0.38 Mbps) 0x01d1 AC-3 Audio for program 3
0x01e9 (0.04% ~ 0.02 Mbps) 0x01e9 MPEG-2 PMT for program 3
0x0210 (27.06% - 13.05 Mbps) 0x0210 MPEG-2 Video for program 4
0x0211 (0.78% ~ 0.38 Mbps) 0x0211 AC-3 Audio for program 4
0x0229 (0.04% ~ 0.02 Mbps) 0x0229 MPEG-2 PMT for program 4
0x0502 (0.04% ~ 0.02 Mbps) 0x0502 ECM for system ID 0x0953 (2387) News Datacom for program 2
0x0505 (0.04% ~ 0.02 Mbps) 0x0505 ECM for system ID 0x0953 (2387) News Datacom for program 5
0x07d0 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x07d0 MPEG-2 Video for program 150
0x07d1 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x07d1 AC-3 Audio for program 150
0x07d6 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x07d6 MPEG-2 Video for program 151
0x07d7 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x07d7 AC-3 Audio for program 151
0x07dc (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x07dc MPEG-2 Video for program 152
0x07dd (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x07dd AC-3 Audio for program 152
0x07e2 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x07e2 MPEG-2 Video for program 153
0x07e3 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x07e3 AC-3 Audio for program 153
0x07e8 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x07e8 MPEG-2 Video for program 154
0x07e9 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x07e9 AC-3 Audio for program 154
0x07ee (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x07ee MPEG-2 Video for program 155
0x07ef (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x07ef AC-3 Audio for program 155
0x07f4 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x07f4 MPEG-2 Video for program 156
0x07f5 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x07f5 AC-3 Audio for program 156
0x07fa (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x07fa MPEG-2 Video for program 157
0x07fb (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x07fb AC-3 Audio for program 157
0x0800 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x0800 MPEG-2 Video for program 158
0x0801 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x0801 AC-3 Audio for program 158
0x0806 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x0806 MPEG-2 Video for program 159
0x0807 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x0807 AC-3 Audio for program 159
0x080c (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x080c MPEG-2 Video for program 160
0x080d (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x080d AC-3 Audio for program 160
0x0812 (0.16% ~ 0.08 Mbps) 0x0812 MPEG-2 Video for program 161
0x0813 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x0813 AC-3 Audio for program 161
0x0818 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x0818 MPEG-2 Video for program 162
0x0819 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x0819 AC-3 Audio for program 162
0x081e (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x081e MPEG-2 Video for program 163
0x081f (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x081f AC-3 Audio for program 163
0x0824 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x0824 MPEG-2 Video for program 164
0x0825 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x0825 AC-3 Audio for program 164
0x082a (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x082a MPEG-2 Video for program 165
0x082b (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x082b AC-3 Audio for program 165
0x0830 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x0830 MPEG-2 Video for program 166
0x0831 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x0831 AC-3 Audio for program 166
0x0836 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x0836 MPEG-2 Video for program 167
0x0837 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x0837 AC-3 Audio for program 167
0x083c (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x083c MPEG-2 Video for program 168
0x083d (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x083d AC-3 Audio for program 168
0x0842 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x0842 MPEG-2 Video for program 169
0x0843 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x0843 AC-3 Audio for program 169
0x0848 (0.18% ~ 0.09 Mbps) 0x0848 MPEG-2 Video for program 170
0x0849 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x0849 AC-3 Audio for program 170
0x084e (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x084e MPEG-2 Video for program 171
0x084f (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x084f AC-3 Audio for program 171
0x0854 (0.06% ~ 0.03 Mbps) 0x0854 MPEG-2 Video for program 172
0x0855 (0.40% - 0.19 Mbps) 0x0855 AC-3 Audio for program 172
0x0be9 (0.01% ~ 0.01 Mbps) 0x0be9 MPEG-2 PMT for program 172
0x0bea (0.01% ~ 0.01 Mbps) 0x0bea MPEG-2 PMT for program 171
0x0beb (0.01% ~ 0.01 Mbps) 0x0beb MPEG-2 PMT for program 170
0x0bec (0.01% ~ 0.01 Mbps) 0x0bec MPEG-2 PMT for program 169
0x0bed (0.01% ~ 0.01 Mbps) 0x0bed MPEG-2 PMT for program 168
0x0bee (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bee MPEG-2 PMT for program 167
0x0bef (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bef MPEG-2 PMT for program 166
0x0bf0 (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bf0 MPEG-2 PMT for program 165
0x0bf1 (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bf1 MPEG-2 PMT for program 164
0x0bf2 (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bf2 MPEG-2 PMT for program 163
0x0bf3 (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bf3 MPEG-2 PMT for program 162
0x0bf4 (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bf4 MPEG-2 PMT for program 161
0x0bf5 (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bf5 MPEG-2 PMT for program 160
0x0bf6 (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bf6 MPEG-2 PMT for program 159
0x0bf7 (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bf7 MPEG-2 PMT for program 158
0x0bf8 (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bf8 MPEG-2 PMT for program 157
0x0bf9 (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bf9 MPEG-2 PMT for program 156
0x0bfa (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bfa MPEG-2 PMT for program 155
0x0bfb (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bfb MPEG-2 PMT for program 154
0x0bfc (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bfc MPEG-2 PMT for program 153
0x0bfd (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bfd MPEG-2 PMT for program 152
0x0bfe (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bfe MPEG-2 PMT for program 151
0x0bff (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0bff MPEG-2 PMT for program 150
0x0fee (0.00% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0fee MPEG-2 PMT for program 65532
0x0ff2 (0.15% ~ 0.07 Mbps) 0x0ff2 Unknown usage
0x0ff9 (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) 0x0ff9 EMM for system ID 0x4749 (18249) Motorola DCII
0x0ffa (0.03% ~ 0.01 Mbps) 0x0ffa EMM for system ID 0x4749 (18249) Motorola DCII
0x0ffe (0.05% ~ 0.02 Mbps) 0x0ffe DCII Network Tables
0x1fff (4.09% ~ 1.97 Mbps) 0x1fff MPEG-2 NULL Packet
bruce said:
cool, I thought they could only do 50 mbps. But I guess the total for program 4 was 13.45 at that instant in time since bandwidth is allocated dynamically.
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vurbano said:
It is even cooler that this is the bird E* bought, now if they can only do the right thing with it I might have to go back to them ( but who am I kidding, E* do the right thing, HA )
bruce said:It is even cooler that this is the bird E* bought, now if they can only do the right thing with it I might have to go back to them ( but who am I kidding, E* do the right thing, HA )
what is "the right thing" ?
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vurbano said:
More HD, duh, and here, HBO gets as much bitrate here on Voom as it does on D*:
PMT PID 681 (0x02a9) - Program 4 HBO HD EAST
0x0290 (18.50% - 8.90 Mbps) 0x0290 MPEG-2 Video for program 4
0x0291 (0.78% ~ 0.38 Mbps) 0x0291 AC-3 Audio for program 4
0x02a9 (0.04% ~ 0.02 Mbps) 0x02a9 MPEG-2 PMT for program 4
Just a little better picture at 1440 x 1080i
BFG said:Wow that site is awesome. Now we can see exactly what is on each TP and the compression. I didn't realize all the voom channels are in the clear. So why they heck do I need voom. Time to get me a dvb pci card and tsreader
Are you giving instructions on how to copy Voom HD programming?
bruce said:
That statement is so wrong I dont know where to begin. The numbers are instantaneous readings or averages. Anyone who saw the fight this weekend on Voom didnt see the problems they saw on D*.D* video is obviously demanding more bits that D* will give it. I dont see that problem on Voom. Unless you compare readings at the exact same time and on the exact same video at that time you cannot compare. And then the numbers would undoubtably be higher for V*. even assuming they are doing 1440 vs 1280 on D*. The bitrate would have to be higher to prevent pixelation at 1440. And since D* is experiencing degradation even at 1280 we know it is lacking very far behind.
And what kind of HD? HDLIL? do you consider that the "right thing"?
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