What happens if Timetrax goes out of business? Since it is dependent on their servers

sflocco

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What happensnif Time trax goes out of business? Since we're dependent on their servers for the ability to record. I think this is a question that needs to be answered. Would my $169 purchase be for nothing? What if the RIAA or someone has a problem Time trax enabling people to record copyrighted material like we're doing whether we share it or not. Has anyone else wondered this?
 
sflocco said:
What happensnif Time trax goes out of business? Since we're dependent on their servers for the ability to record. I think this is a question that needs to be answered. Would my $169 purchase be for nothing? What if the RIAA or someone has a problem Time trax enabling people to record copyrighted material like we're doing whether we share it or not. Has anyone else wondered this?

We all have wondered this...

I cannot answer what would happen to the product if it were 'deemed illegal' by the RIAA - however TT has stated a few other times in a few different spots, that if the company were to go out of business it would release a final version that did not require the internet servers for validation. Not sure what that means or how it would be done - Its just what they said.
 
I thought I read somewhere that if you record off a radio with dj or lead in it was Ok to do. I used to do that back in the 70's with a casette recorder and since the quality was not there nobody cared.
 
I guess it probably is legal to record as long you don't redistribute. Does anyone know if there is any possibilty of RIAA resistance to this product. Has the legality of this been explored by Timetrax?
 
mahogany said:
I thought I read somewhere that if you record off a radio with dj or lead in it was Ok to do. I used to do that back in the 70's with a casette recorder and since the quality was not there nobody cared.

This is a misconception. It is _legal_ to record any broadcast you have the rights to listen to (either free broadcasts such as your local TV/Radio, or paid for broadcasts such as XM or DishNetwork). You are not allowed to distribute these recordings for personal or financial gain. According to _the law_, you can show/play these recordings for your family/friends, but you can't sell tickets to people to see/hear it.

What the RIAA/MPAA want to do is scare you into thinking that you don't have rights, especially for services you pay to receive. That's why they are pushing for legislation that closes the "analog hole", which would effectively outlaw personal recording technology.

As much as I have razzed on TimeTrax for the quality of their product, I have to give them kudo's for standing up to the industry. Their new product (announced at CES last week) is yet another kick in the nuts to the media establishment.
 
src666 said:
As much as I have razzed on TimeTrax for the quality of their product, I have to give them kudo's for standing up to the industry. Their new product (announced at CES last week) is yet another kick in the nuts to the media establishment.

What product is that?
 
They call it the "TraxCatcher". It's a FM radio/recorder/PMP, that splits the songs into individual tracks: http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/06/timetraxs-popcatcher/

It _appears_ to be a rebranding of someone else's technology, but I couldn't swear to that. It also appears that they will do song identification/tagging for you.

They have even got a page up on their site for it now: http://www.timetraxtech.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=71000

One item of note - at the bottom of the product page, it says "Internet access is required to register the software" - no mention of a continuous internet connection requirement.
 
src666 said:
They call it the "TraxCatcher". It's a FM radio/recorder/PMP, that splits the songs into individual tracks: http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/06/timetraxs-popcatcher/

It _appears_ to be a rebranding of someone else's technology, but I couldn't swear to that. It also appears that they will do song identification/tagging for you.

They have even got a page up on their site for it now: http://www.timetraxtech.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=71000

One item of note - at the bottom of the product page, it says "Internet access is required to register the software" - no mention of a continuous internet connection requirement.

Wow - thats pretty interesting. It seems : http://www.popcatcher.com/ has the product they are showing - but then its not listed in its products list. So - maybe it is rebranded.

That is some pretty significant analyzing of the music stream to decide whats talk and whats music. It'd be nice to see Time Trax enable that licensing from that company to use in their product (wink-wink --- nudge - nudge) :)

Not too bad - did you go to CES or just reading the reports ? :)
 
PhuckNut said:
Wow - thats pretty interesting. It seems : http://www.popcatcher.com/ has the product they are showing - but then its not listed in its products list. So - maybe it is rebranded.
That is some pretty significant analyzing of the music stream to decide whats talk and whats music. It'd be nice to see Time Trax enable that licensing from that company to use in their product (wink-wink --- nudge - nudge) :)
Not too bad - did you go to CES or just reading the reports ? :)

Popcatcher does not make any actual products. They are a software/firmware company that licenses its technology to manufacturers who wish to implement the technology in their own products.

The software will use Internet connectivity to identify and tag the MP3 files, but it is not dependent on Internet connectivity, and the entire product will work without an Internet connection.
 
PhuckNut said:
Not too bad - did you go to CES or just reading the reports ? :)

RSS feed from Engadget, ARS Technica and CNet = All the CES I need.
 
Au Contrair.....

Nothing beats seeing all the shiney pretty gadgets up close and personal!!!!!

The TraxCatcher was very nice to see up close and personal.

I highly recommend attending CES for anyone that's ever drooled over a gadget.
 
sflocco said:
What happensnif Time trax goes out of business? Since we're dependent on their servers for the ability to record. I think this is a question that needs to be answered. Would my $169 purchase be for nothing? What if the RIAA or someone has a problem Time trax enabling people to record copyrighted material like we're doing whether we share it or not. Has anyone else wondered this?

A TT staff member address it in this thread.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=49862
 

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