I just ordered an Hr20 and got it for $49.99. Last year I got a HR20 for $150 and the year before I got an H 20 for $199 with a $200 rebate. I'd say they are getting better.Doesn't D* charge an arm and 2 legs to upgrade receivers for current subscribers, or has that gotten better? I guess maybe that is my issue with it. If you are leasing the equipment and a new receiver comes out that is better, as a current subscriber, they get you again with the fees.