Someone mentioned this in another post and wondered if it deserved it's own thread? Supposed to be shipping this month. Let me state upfront that I'm nowhere near as knowledgable as most of you on here, so if I mis-state, forgive me and point me in the right direction. From what I gather the Hauppauge HD PVR Model 1212 (retails for $250) can record 720p and 1080i via component input with loop through out (does this mean watch as you record?) and connects to pc via usb. It supposedly can record in blu ray format to a standard disk for play back on blu ray players. Rumor also is that you would need an already issued blu ray player to avoid an "ICT flag" which would reduce resolution output. I have quicktime alternative on my pc's which allow my media player and media center to play h.264 movies renamed as .hdmov with a couple of registry changes. So it seems that this might be a way to get dish hd to our pc's. Other question would be how to use media center as the main dvr/pvr?
Hauppauge HD PVR Model 1212...is this the answer?
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This would work until DISH is forced to implement DRM Downrezzing on the non-HDCP compliant outputs (ie. Component) and only the HDMI outputs would support anything over 480i on certain programs.
Until that happens, this is a very compelling device.
Until that happens, this is a very compelling device.
What is the question ?
Right now, I click in the Onscreen Guide, and it is recorded digitally to my Dish HD-DVR.
If I fill up the HD-DVR, I can move the recording to an external hard drive (Note that now with the Thermaltake BlacX, you can just use "internal" SATA drives).
What you are describing is yet another way to spend 10 hours fiddling to get 2 hours of programming. A step backwards...
Right now, I click in the Onscreen Guide, and it is recorded digitally to my Dish HD-DVR.
If I fill up the HD-DVR, I can move the recording to an external hard drive (Note that now with the Thermaltake BlacX, you can just use "internal" SATA drives).
What you are describing is yet another way to spend 10 hours fiddling to get 2 hours of programming. A step backwards...
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But if this works, he could burn it to a BD and watch it wherever he wanted.
But if this works, he could burn it to a BD and watch it wherever he wanted.
The issue is that these adapters that you speak of generally don't support HDCP which would render them useless in the event that there was a copy flag on the content.
As I stated, I'm nowhere near as knowledgable as most of you on here. As for the Thermaltake BlacX, even though it's sata it still limited to transfers at a max rate the same as usb 2.0 so I'm not sure of the significant benefits...please advise me to it's benefits. What I am trying or would like to try to accomplish (as many others it seems) is to:
1. Be able to record hd to my pc for numerous reasons. By using a device such as the Hauppauge HD PVR Model 1212 it appears that one does not even have to deal with linux encryption I believe.
2. MCE is much more user friendly with many more features than our dvr's (not that I'm not happy to have my 622 and 722). So if I could use the programming guide/dvr built into MCE, it would be even better IMHO.
I'm not sure how you're calculating another 10hrs to get 2 hours of programming? As for the Hauppauge HD PVR, I believe you just connect the component out of the stb to component input and connect component output to hdtv with usb connected to pc or laptop and record hd to computer in a file monitored by MCE and play as desired. Is this wrong?
1. Be able to record hd to my pc for numerous reasons. By using a device such as the Hauppauge HD PVR Model 1212 it appears that one does not even have to deal with linux encryption I believe.
2. MCE is much more user friendly with many more features than our dvr's (not that I'm not happy to have my 622 and 722). So if I could use the programming guide/dvr built into MCE, it would be even better IMHO.
I'm not sure how you're calculating another 10hrs to get 2 hours of programming? As for the Hauppauge HD PVR, I believe you just connect the component out of the stb to component input and connect component output to hdtv with usb connected to pc or laptop and record hd to computer in a file monitored by MCE and play as desired. Is this wrong?
I can bear witness to this.
Cox Cable San Diego has exclusive rights to Padre games and while the cable box has both component and hdmi outputs IF the hdmi is connected to a HDTV that is turned on, the component goes to 480i letter box mode (another words NOT HD). And when I tried an hdmi splitter to use two TVs at the same time, as soon as the second TV was turned on a message would flash about HDCP violation and all outputs go black.
This is happening on a low price Scientific Atlanta STB.
HDCP is a serious pain in the ass when enabled.
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I should be able to comment in a few weeks....I did preorder a 1212 and also purchased a SP180-HD4 HDMI to component converter. Hauppage said they hope to ship by the mid/end of May as there's some sort of stock issue with the ext housings for the boards.
The HDMI converter if anyone is curious:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SP1080HD4-HDMI-...ryZ11726QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Not sure this will be foolproof but its something to try...I geek out with stuff like this
The HDMI converter if anyone is curious:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SP1080HD4-HDMI-...ryZ11726QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Not sure this will be foolproof but its something to try...I geek out with stuff like this
According to Hauppauge it doesn't even have to be a BD, Two hours of HD recordings, recorded at 5 Mbist/sec, can be burnt onto a standard 4.7 GB DVD-R or DVD-RW disk for playback on a Blu-ray DVD player
I'm sorry, I misinterpreted your observation with regard to copy flag on content of source signal. Even still, sclaws SP180-HD4 HDMI to component converter seems to take care of that issue as it works with HDCP material.
sclaws, check this one out, much cheaper than the one you mentioned.
DVI to Component Video Adapter - SW-4041, $19.95
DVI to Component Video Adapter - SW-4041, $19.95
When I get some money, I want one of these Haupaugges. Between XBOX live HD movies and what you can get on dish, That will be a huge library. And even if Dish locks (using HDCP) it Xbox isn't in the position to do that (to many first run 360s with no HDMI).
Then there's a chance in the future that its HDCP key will get revoked, rendering it useless (assuming it's got real HDCP keys and not using cloned keys from another popular device).
Thx...good catch! If they have one that was HDMI instead of DVI it might work just as well.
sclaws...sorry, could add this to dvi-component adapter
HDMI Male to DVI-D Female Adapter - SW-1119, $14.95
would be dvi-d female to male
HDMI Male to DVI-D Female Adapter - SW-1119, $14.95
would be dvi-d female to male
I see a use for this with my Comcast box. I would love to get HD network programs to my computer, strip the commercials and watch them the next night. I did this for years prior to HD. I got where I could strip the c's out of a one hour show in under 2.5 minutes. And turning the 2 hour premiers of "24" into a 1 hr 29 minute DVD move was fantastic. I'll be watching for this Hauppauge card. I have been following discussions re Hauppauge on the AfterDawn forums but have not seen this one mentioned yet.
This itself is what I am questioning.
I built an HT-PC with a built-in HDMI output, which I use to play video and audio files. I have read posts from people who use them with cable tuners.
The Dish HD-DVR is simply a much better interface, because it is specialized in a way that no HT-PC can ever be. I do use an MCE remote with my HT-PC, and the Dish 622 remote is better in many different ways.
PS If you use this device to record component, you are putting a digital-to-analog conversion in the path, and also an analog-to-digital conversion. In both cases, you are using a $10 chip to do so. The result is going to be significantly worse than the original, especially if we are talking about Blu-Ray as a comparison.
I too like the ease of operating the external drive option-- however this does open up the option to do things like take it with me to play on another computer or TV. When I travel to my folks house for a visit it would be nice to have something to watch. I can't do that with the DVR drive option.
Or if I were ever to drop Dish-- wouldn't want to have a huge library with no way to watch programs.
