Dish and Fox Making Up?

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Look at that big smile on Murdoch's face. He just got a 50 percent increase in carriage fees from Dish, so he can afford to be generous about the lawsuit which was going nowhere.
 
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Look at that big smile on Murdoch's face. He just got a 50 percent increase in carriage fees from Dish, so he can afford to be generous about the lawsuit which was going nowhere.
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Looks more like a: "I forgot to change my diaper today, my bad, but my *hit don't stink, so who cares?" smile to me...
 
Charlie had said they he expected to pay DOUBLE his current fees for Fox News because it was the all news ratings leader. Now it looks like he is paying less than double, but a compromise to bring Fox Business down to a lower package. While there are more details, this deal is just another that is good for both Dish and Fox. However, considering Fox isn't getting as much as it could have for Fox News, it is clear that once again the channels need the MVPD's more than the other way around. Sure, 20 years ago it was the MVPD's who desperately needed the fewer channels that existed back then, but the last 10 years has seen the MVPD's able to wait out a channel taken down than the channels can bear the immediate and significant drop in fees from that MVPD and the equally immediate and significant drop in advertising revenue. It was Murdoch who blinked first, still no triumphant news from Fox on Sports1 most likely because Fox had to abandon working that channel into the News and Business negotiations. I suppose one could say that Fox lost but only for trying for something it should never have done: used News and Business to leverage a new contract for Sports1 that already had a valid contract that Fox agreed to in "good faith."

But, in the end nobody really lost or won. It was another disagreement between a Pay-TV service and a content provider and Fox did well and Dish came out better than what was expected. That's business.
 
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Okay 50 cents more a month for both Fox News and Fox Business. But look how much Dish shelled out to anyone who called in . $45-$50 to anyone who asked for a credit. I can also confirm that each cancelled subscription cost dish $800, which is 1600 months of 50 cents. There is no way Ergen would handle it like this again. He should have just kept his mouth shut and have one of his PR people announce that they were sorry about the outage but hoped to get Fox News back as soon as possible.
 
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Okay 50 cents more a month for both Fox News and Fox Business. But look how much Dish shelled out to anyone who called in . $45-$50 to anyone who asked for a credit. I can also confirm that each cancelled subscription cost dish $800, which is 1600 months of 50 cents. There is no way Ergen would handle it like this again. He should have just kept his mouth shut and have one of his PR people announce that they were sorry about the outage but hoped to get Fox News back as soon as possible.
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You've been called out on this bogus, magical $800 per lost sub before. You were wrong then, you're still wrong now. As to the rest, blather on, but please blather with uVerse or whichever other provider you bailed to.

Discounts and other incentives for those that called/wrote were all over the place. Some got the amount you mention, some got much less. You don't know how many got any at all, just hand waving with numbers. I'm beginning to see why you like Fox News so much. Whole cloth stories are all very nice to tell.
 
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The magical number comes from Dish, $861. I can confirm that from email from Dish. That is why they lock people into a two year contract, to help offset that cost of advertising, commissions, equipment and labor.
 
That 'magical' number is the cost to add a new subscriber, NOT what it costs when you lose one. Just as you've been told many times.
 
mitchflorida said:
The magical number comes from Dish, $861. I can confirm that from email from Dish. That is why they lock people into a two year contract, to help offset that cost of advertising, commissions, equipment and labor.
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Two important questions here. Why would it cost that much for Dish to lose a customer, especially if that customer had been with Dish for over two years? Why the hell would Dish email you this kind of information?
 
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The direct cost of losing a customer is the future profits from that lost customer.

In the Dish quarterly earnings report, the number Wall Street most cares about is the NET change in subscribers. For every customer Dish loses they must gain one just to stay even. This should be obvious but apparently not to some people.

The stock value of Dish is based on its profits, but they also want to see what the trend is. Is Dish growing customers or losing them? Last quarter, Dish Network lost net 12,000 customers, Uverse gained net 60,000. The next numbers release will be on February 20th.
 
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The direct cost of losing a customer is the future profits from that lost customer.

In the Dish quarterly earnings report, the number Wall Street most cares about is the NET change in subscribers. For every customer Dish loses they must gain one just to stay even. This should be obvious but apparently not to some people.

The stock value of Dish is based on its profits, but they also want to see what the trend is. Is Dish growing customers or losing them? Last quarter, Dish lost 12,000 customers, Uverse gained 60,000. The next numbers release will be on February 20th.
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Dish like most of the cable/sat providers are having problems retaining customers as the subscriber base starts shrinking. That isn't even new news. Dish's net profit average per sub is around the $7 mark I believe. So the loss of a sub is a loss of $84 of profit or thereabout.

Do they want to make up for the lost sub? Sure. But the handwriting is on the wall, there will be more net loss of subs going forward for all cable/sat providers.

As to what Wall Street wants or thinks, you cannot even fathom how little I care about that.
 
mitchflorida said:
Look at that big smile on Murdoch's face. He just got a 50 percent increase in carriage fees from Dish, so he can afford to be generous about the lawsuit which was going nowhere.
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It is a file photo and we really have no idea what Fox got from Dish. The reality is that part of the deal put a stop to Fox's litigation over the Hopper. That by itself was worth disposing of.
 
You may not care what the Dish stock price is because you don't own any . lol

Mr. Ergen checks the stock price at least once a day. Every dollar down costs him millions of $$$.
 
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