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Agree with Troch. Many fanboys on here that can say anything to those that may question Dish (Dish can do no wrong - if you have an issue it's probably you're fault). The treatment bluegras receives is awful and he loves Dish! Just think if he had a beef with them. I used to support this...

Probably the easiest thing to do although the tailgater is 150 miles away at my parent's house (I'm in Des Moines, they are in Omaha on the way to Memorial Stadium in Lincoln, NE). Just seems odd that Dish says there isn't a workaround when I read on here it's a smartcard issue....

Had Matt from Dish help out. Apparently there isn't a workaround and if I want to add/delete programming I'll have to call in or chat.

Crap, yes I own a Tailgater which has a 211. Forgot about that receiver....it's deactivated until next Fall though.

Yep, will do. I thought the H3 had a built in smart card though?

I switched to Flex Pack last night (from AT250) via phone and so far I cannot see Flex Pack options on mydish.com. Chatted this morning with an agent; she said she sent a report to Dish engineers as she couldn't get the Flex options to appear. I have an owned H3, two owned wireless joeys & 1...

Maybe it's this tomorrow! Or Soon tomorrow.

Happens all the time with swap. The title bar says "delayed live tv" or something. H3 not ready for prime time or pip. Sent from my SM-G935V using the SatelliteGuys app!

I luckily checked the website today. Was about to get hit for regular family pricing on two in vehicle radios. Got the usual $25 for six months on both. Claude you're right. It isn't worth much more than $5/mo. Sound quality has deteriorated so much. Told the rep that after she offered a...

Yep same thing on my screen. I have AT200

No flex option under my programming or any of the tabs. Weird.

Not an option for me when I log in.

Okay that makes sense Scott and thanks for the clarification. Instead of being coy about it I wish Dish would have issued a statement about PIP not being a feature moving forward for us early adopters.

And PIP? Who's to blame for that fubar? I googled 4k Joey and found two official YouTube videos from Dish touting PIP and Netflix. One of the videos had Vivek proudly discussing the features.

At dish sd won't go away. Heck, Disney xd was in hd on dish before the Disney dispute a few years ago.

BNEWT thanks! That's the point I was trying to make.

No, I do not have Netflix on either tv so I ordered 2 4k joeys instead of roku because I really like the Netflix integration on the Hopper 3. It probably is Netflix holding things up but i wouldn't put it past dish being an issue too. PIP was also advertised and now Scott says it isn't coming...

They do not but the point is I went with the 4k Joeys because Dish promised Netflix and PIP. If they weren't touting these features I would have been fine with wireless Joey or regular joeys. I don't feel I should have to spend more money to get a service that Dish said would be available. In...

According to Dish it's Netflix's fault? Of course that's what they'll say. Or did Netflix confirm the hold up is on their end?

Both are Samsung tv's bought within the last two years. Worked fine when one was hooked up to HWS and the other to my wireless Joey. Upgraded to H3 and 4k Joeys due to the promised ability to do PIP and Netflix (and speed and smaller footprint). Should have known dish promises aren't worth...

Just tried to use Netflix on our two 4k joeys. Neither worked. Got the "coming soon" message on it.

But you're not comparing apples to apples. Directv only has whole home set ups so it would make sense to compare genie to hopper (and yes genie still a couple bucks higher). The avg new customer has no idea something other than hopper is an option. So, to be fair one must compare whole home to...

I said I could save with Mediacom (so I guess you're right in that I did quote promo for cable) for two years (longer actually but most contracts are two years so that's why I typed that) and could save big the 1st year with Directv ( 2nd year about $5/mo higher). I assume we're talking about...

Sorry, not comparing promos vs regular but whatever. Fact is dish is a bit cheaper than Directv but not by much for my set-up. I don't give two craps about anybody's other set-ups. Must be nice to be so smug knowing that I can't be reasoned with because my facts don't align with yours. Not...

I'm disappointed with all the disruptions and am tired of many absolving Dish from any culpability but at the end of the day it's just t.v. I did price Mediacom (TiVo set-up) and Directv. Could have saved over dish with the other providers (around $20/mo for two years with Mediacom and large...