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Sure, TrinaTrina, I'd still recommend the DTVPal, despite the timer problems (especially since you don't expect to be recording much). The remote control for the DTVPal is not bad, and I've also had no problem setting up my (under $25) Sony RM-VL600 Universal Learning Remote to control a...

How To Get Your DTVPal Timers To Work I know this is an issue where people would actually like some real help, so, at the risk of taking the edge off the humor, I am going to clearly label the satirical suggestions and the actually helpful ones. . . First, some satirical suggestions...

DTVPal.com quotes Scott's review I don't think it's been commented on here, at least in this thread, but Scott's review (first post of this thread) is now quoted at DTVPal.com. Click "Products Review" (Maybe they meant "Product Reviews"?) The heading on that page is, at the moment, "Technical...

Well, maybe if I put the "333" into the number, and called 1-800-333-DISH, it could do some good, but the message said to call 1-800-Dish, as I said. Does anyone else think DISH will ruin my credit rating for not paying the $4.92 that they failed to put on my credit card in the first place?

DISH won't let me pay my bill You may recall that I ordered from DTVPal.com on June 26, the first day it was available, and that DISH forgot the sales tax on one of my two DTVPals. Then they sent me a DISH network statement, billing me for the missing $4.92 balance, due July 16. Well, I tried...

More interesting timer test results Well, my day off from DTVPal testing on Friday got extended over the weekend. I did get my 16 ft. RG-59 antenna cable (indoors) replaced with a 22 ft. RG-6 cable, and got a signal strength gain of about 5 on all channels. I'm going to replace the splitter...

This is the same Venturer box they were (or are) selling at Target, isn't it? I considered when it looked like my July 2 coupons would expire before I could get a DTVPal, but it was out-of-stock at every Target in my area. Here's a link to search for it at a Target near you: ( link )

Catch the Brightest Stars on SEE B S Which could mean people in some areas will need to send in the unit for exchange, because the update can be made available by OTA only, and some areas will not get the OTA updates, and updates may not even work properly yet, even though they are designed...

Yes. I first discovered timer bugs happening most often when I'd set a timer about 9-12 hours ahead to trigger early in the morning. I was recording the result on a VCR. Then when the CBS affiliate stopped sending PSIP for 3 days, every time I turned on the DTVPal (unless only turned off very...

Hmm. . . Hmm. . . Interesting question. The timers do not shift immediately after they have been triggered, only after some bug triggers an unnecessary extra download of Guide data (usually complete with the progress bar screen). So the first part of the answer is that you would get...

DTVPal OTA Upgrades - Not for everyone? Good Question. We've heard it both ways. The most reliable sources imply that there IS a way to do it over the air, but who knows if upgrades will ever be activated in your area? Here's a thought: What if the "not field serviceable" or "will have to...

Taking a break today I will be taking a break from this today, just waiting for UPS to show up with a couple hundred feet of RG-6 Quad Shield cable, a new co-ax stripper, a new crimping tool, and 50 crimp-on connectors. No, I won't be re-cabling the whole house immediately. Some of it will...

"Bug-B-Gone" = "Take Off, Hoser" ? I think I sort of agree with you, but I still see it as only the copies of the "subchannel index" that are entered into the timer table that are getting "hosed." I think any other instances of the "subchannel index" values that are being used elsewhere in the...

The thing is, it's repeatable for me, but not for pabeader. The difference is in the broadcasts we're receiving. DTVPals apparently work fine with no bugs (at least no timer bugs) if you are getting strong signals and good PSIP on all channels. The CBS affiliate in each market seems to be...

Revealing results from the last test Well, I did the test with some very interesting results. One of my assumptions was proven wrong, but only one. One DTVPal hidden feature I thought would be hard to reproduce was reproduced. (Have I built up enough suspense?) First, reviewing what I...

Definitely a bug, but a fairly easy (but possibly tedious) workaround should be to (1) Either do a factory restart, or delete ALL channels (2) Rescan and add channels until all have been located (3) Only THEN, after all channels are present, delete the unwanted ones. What you're talking about...

Oops, one prediction was wrong. Turns out the shift is NOT repeated with repeated reboots & Guide downloads. That was the one assumption I had wrong. I had entered new channels into the timers for each of those double-reboot tests, so I guess I had never tried to "double" or "triple" shift a...

The same channels are there, just in a different order. The answer to your question is found in Note 1 and Note 1a, in the table image, just below the tables. I was actually lucky I had the bad reception on the HDTV/VCR DTVPal, because having different channel maps made it easier to figure out...

More on channel shifting in timers I see you've been editing this since I read it last, as you've noted in the other quote below. I've added numbers to your points so I can comment better. (1) No, the channel actually changes in the timer. When a timer altered by this bug is triggered, it...

Thanks! Thanks for the support, T-Rat, pabeader, and Whidbey. (You OK with the nickname, TalkingRat?) No response from avsforum yet, other than the automated response which was sent around 6AM CDT. (When I say "around," I mean ) I only got ONE automated response, even though I sent the...

Message to avsforum has been sent I've sent the message to avsforum. . . .Oh, what the heck, I'll repeat it here: I selected "Registration Problem" as the subject on the submission form Oops, just noticed one of those dreaded typos. Said June 18, meant May 18. Oh, well. Correction...

One timer mystery solved! Well, I've figured out WHAT is happening when timers are mysteriously deleted or the channel number is changed in a timer. It is all connected to the same bug. WHY this programming bug ever got into the DTVPal in the first place may be a question that only a DISH...

Suspicious, indeed. Thanks for that, TalkingRat. As you suspected, that link you provided doesn't work for me. "You have been banned. . ." blah, blah, blah. So it is looking like a combination of a bad user ID choice AND bad timing. If rrrrrroger was banned just 2 days before my first...

Off-topic message for my friends here Sorry about this off-topic post. I was hoping to get a satisfying result from the DTVPal testing. It's worth repeating that a change in PSIP sent by the CBS affilate here has made my DTVPal operate a lot better, but unfortunately there are still issues...

DTVPal turned itself OFF at end of timer! But results are mixed (again!) I had mixed results from the overnight test. Which is FRUSTRATING, because it means I have to keep doing tests to get a definitive result. The DTVPal actually turned itself OFF after the duration time expired! This...