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thanks for the support have been a huge help, my dish is pointed through a huge hole in the trees that I have created, and isn't plumb but I have learned to live with only 119 channels. I have a friend that installs dish coming over this weekend for a case of beer to point this thing for me.

Well i got out there this weekend and I tried to point the dish at the correct sats this weekend. I am in fact tracking the 119w on on the 110 LNB just couldn't seem to pick it up on the 119 LNB I spent the greater part of Sunday trying to get it to come in. Thanks for the help though.

thanks for the tip I will give this a try this weekend when I have some time. Thanks again for all the tips you have provided me.

Well I got in the backyard yesterday and I cleared out some trees and I was able to get 119w to lock....still cant get 110w to lock. I'm using a 500 dish and Dish Pro Quad LNB. I thought that once you had one locked on it would pick up the other one am I wrong to think this? I could also be that...

I'm not familiar with that I will do some research about it and try and figure that out. I think I found a go place to clear trees in my back yard so Im going to be looking at that option this weekend when I have some time off from work.

As you can see from the pictures I think hat the trees are keeping me from getting a good signal on 110w or 119w. But I can get 91w that is a few degrees to the right. If anyone has any advice/ pointers to defeat these trees...if they where on my property I wouldn't have a problem taking a few...