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Well that explains why they didn't come in, I was thinking the did some kind of beam for the local area rather then covering the entire footprint of the satellite, and yes i was farther north and west ~50 miles above Swift current SK.

Just got back from a hunting trip to Canada, took the dish and the old 2800 receiver, pointed the dish for the 119 and 110 satellites, all channels came except the locals, got a message 'these channels are only available in your designated area' it does receive them when I am in Minnesota, so...