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BLEH, that'd be like hugging my brother... Yeah, as to the HD-PVR I am in limbo now, as I have been for four weeks. I have been completely without TV during this time, and I have no idea how this Dish problem is going to sort out. No matter what, I'll be sending one of these receivers back...

Don't be down on yourself JAG72. You can't help it you're a wet rag... :D

Erm, not necessarily. Depends on when this began, which none of us knows. This is why I asked.

Here. To wit: "DirecTV in the U.S. is now switching over to DVB-S2 with H.264/MPEG-4 AVC codec for their local and some national HDTV channels."

Linked it above. It's the new transmission protocol Direct & Dish are moving to.

'Why I repeat the question'? Because I would like a definitive answer, and I believe I now have the best one available. 'How I suppose to use it'? I am supposed to use it when in the future all channels are DVB-S2. I was being forward-thinking, in looking for the receiver that is...

I tend to agree about the newest models. And saw that about ethernet but don't need it. I am reducing this box to the lowest posible function --decrypting the signal-- and I'll take care of the rest with MythTV, to reduce exposure to fiddling and DRM to the greatest extent possible. Just...

Good to know about the H20; increases flexibility for me. After a good bit of research I believe that for OTA I'll go with the Hauppauge HVR-1250. I won't be recording alot of OTA, so one should suit. And it'll work with MythTV. For sat I won't need any of the HR series, as recording will...

You a Mason, shibby191?

OK, thanks. Does anyone know which receivers support the new DVB-S2? Is anyone using the HD-PVR?

OK, if I have to pay the monthly fee whether I lease or own, right there's no advantage to buying even if I do actually own the receiver. I'd understood the cost to be paying the lease upfront. Yes new subscriber, so I should get at least one free.

JAG72 you've consistently been a wet rag through this whole process, so you'll forgive me if I wait for other confirmation of this?

So I get the IRD free from D -- Then they charge me what, $5/mo for lease? For two years? I come out better buying this, even if it is a lease. Especially if it's not, as represented. And I've been an active member with eBay almost since the beginning ('98), and I've been subject to about...

Yeah, if the lease fee is what, $5/mo, and I keep service for two years, OK. Plus if I get away with no commitment to contract, ALRIGHT! And if I in fact own it, ROCK ON! Gimme three.

OK, I have a response from another seller who says I would own the receiver for $40+$12. An eBay member since '06. Very tempting.

Thank goodness, it seems that Murdoch no longer owns DirecTV.

Wow, what a switch from Dish. Does Rupert Murdoch still own DirecTV? Hate that guy... Depending on the monthly lease fee, I should come out ahead if I can in fact buy one for $50, so worth a try. If not, a free one should be easy. Is anyone using the HD-PVR?

Sure they're ended; I was proving final price. But there are lots of comparable active auctions. And contract may be required? Sure, but that's a separate issue from leased. I'll see what the sellers say. Frankly I don't see any improvement in the H23 over the H21. And the H20 has an OTA...

I've asked the sellers. The fact that it says no term extension surely means owned.

No busted bubbles here... DIRECTV HIGH DEFINITION H23 - eBay (item 280285417896 end time Nov-16-08 13:13:57 PST) *NEW* DIRECTV HD SATELLITE RECEIVER HDTV H23NC-600 H23 - eBay (item 180306686928 end time Nov-15-08 19:26:20 PST) DIRECTV HIGH DEFINITION H23 - eBay (item 280286293611 end time...

msmith, not going with a DVR, since I'll be recording on HTPC. Already all set up, so all I need is a couple cheep HD receivers for multiple tuners.

My gosh. I hope you're for real Kevin. Hard to believe, after the misery I've been through with Dish. Looking on eBay, I find lots of H23's for under $50, which beats all Hell out of Dish's HD receivers. Maybe this would be cheeper than leasing? Although, how prone would Direct be to...

For the past month I have been doggedly trying to sign up with Dish Network, but they have repeatedly and mercilessly fscked up my account and I have now finally had enough. How are things with DirecTV? If you own a receiver, how much danger is it that they'll mark it Leased, or cause any of...